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America and Europe can suffer from overpopulation problems by their culture and inefficient resource management.


You kidding? You need to go on a road trip across the USA, especially when our drop in births and empty, government-owned land are taken into account. Overpopulation isn't going to be an issue anytime soon, discounting buffoons who only want to squeeze like sardines into already-crowded cities. Culture alone certainly doesn't cause the overpopulation you desire. Yeah, you clearly despise Europe and the USA, but karma or whatever your fueling your assessment on simply doesn't work that way.


Alright, you got me. I've always been comparing the east and the west. Why is it that my salary is only 1400 dollars a month in Taiwan when I can be earning 50k a year in US being a US citizen. It's not like you guys are treating me bad, but hey people here needs a living too. Now I can't really be complaining if we are exporting sub quality products and bad working attitude. Which is not the case for many here, yes I slack off at work . The salary remained like this for the last 20 years and we complain that the government, especially the president, did not give us a raise and kept the same salary for 20 years, if not less. But my thought is that the salary is kept this way not because of the government, but by the world.



First of all nobody in the USA makes 50k a year just being a citizen. That shit would create an unprecedented immigration problem and would be equivalent to communism.

Second of all you may make 25% of what an American makes over here in a year but your costs of living are more than likely 90% cheaper than what we have to pay over here.

Thirdly there are people in the USA making as much as you in a month (for one job) and they have to pay 5-9 times as much for rent/utilities/basic living expenses and thus are forced to work 2-3 jobs just to stay afloat.

Learn about how life really is here instead of making baseless assumptions.

The world is not holding you or your salary down, that is what employers can afford to pay the people in your country and still turn a profit. You are just pointing the finger outwards, when the true issue lies within.

Don't like it? Move to another country!

Improve yourself and your skills (READ: STUDY/GO TO SCHOOL) so you have something to offer a country like the United States in order to acquire citizenship legally. No country will want you if you have nothing of value to offer them.

Or do it illegally and get stuck working menial manual labor jobs that nobody wants to do for minimum pay.




Well it's all about skill, when I make an application that earns 200k US dollars and they are only paying 1400 dollars a month? That would be outrageous, well I can't really make an application that earns 200k lol. You are right, it is skill based


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Only Asia and Africa have a population issue. Americas and Europe are fine.


America and Europe can suffer from overpopulation problems by their culture and inefficient resource management. Their individualistic culture mean that their population live in small nuclear family, which take a lot of space, instead of extended family. The middle class American family did worsen this problem by forcing their babies to sleep in isolated room so their children learn to be self-centered, rebelious, and uncooperative. Their need for material posession as a form of social status create an unsustainable lifestyle. The Westerners sustain their lifestyle with puppet governments in the third world who rob from third world citizen to serve Western business.


We are not suffering from over population or lack of resources. If we stopped accepting immigrants we would be even better off in that regard.


Immigrants are people too, and if you are suffering in a third world country like North Korea, you'd want to move to the U.S. Alright, so Chinese might completely over populate the Americans for a ratio of 1000 to 1 American by the year 2018. That means people need to start learning Chinese. Ya I'm messing with you, don't take my words too seriously
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America and Europe can suffer from overpopulation problems by their culture and inefficient resource management.


You kidding? You need to go on a road trip across the USA, especially when our drop in births and empty, government-owned land are taken into account. Overpopulation isn't going to be an issue anytime soon, discounting buffoons who only want to squeeze like sardines into already-crowded cities. Culture alone certainly doesn't cause the overpopulation you desire. Yeah, you clearly despise Europe and the USA, but karma or whatever your fueling your assessment on simply doesn't work that way.


Alright, you got me. I've always been comparing the east and the west. Why is it that my salary is only 1400 dollars a month in Taiwan when I can be earning 50k a year in US being a US citizen. It's not like you guys are treating me bad, but hey people here needs a living too. Now I can't really be complaining if we are exporting sub quality products and bad working attitude. Which is not the case for many here, yes I slack off at work . The salary remained like this for the last 20 years and we complain that the government, especially the president, did not give us a raise and kept the same salary for 20 years, if not less. But my thought is that the salary is kept this way not because of the government, but by the world.


. 50K in big cities in California will ensure you live like a hobo. If you made that were I live you would have a large 2 story house with brand new cars. 1400 a month is entry level skilled labor or factory work. Construction workers get like $20/hour here.

Wages havent been rising much here either so were in the same boat there but we have massively rising inflation .
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fredreload wrote:


Cardamom_Ginger wrote:


sinoakayumi wrote:

America and Europe can suffer from overpopulation problems by their culture and inefficient resource management.


You kidding? You need to go on a road trip across the USA, especially when our drop in births and empty, government-owned land are taken into account. Overpopulation isn't going to be an issue anytime soon, discounting buffoons who only want to squeeze like sardines into already-crowded cities. Culture alone certainly doesn't cause the overpopulation you desire. Yeah, you clearly despise Europe and the USA, but karma or whatever your fueling your assessment on simply doesn't work that way.


Alright, you got me. I've always been comparing the east and the west. Why is it that my salary is only 1400 dollars a month in Taiwan when I can be earning 50k a year in US being a US citizen. It's not like you guys are treating me bad, but hey people here needs a living too. Now I can't really be complaining if we are exporting sub quality products and bad working attitude. Which is not the case for many here, yes I slack off at work . The salary remained like this for the last 20 years and we complain that the government, especially the president, did not give us a raise and kept the same salary for 20 years, if not less. But my thought is that the salary is kept this way not because of the government, but by the world.


. 50K in big cities in California will ensure you live like a hobo. If you made that were I live you would have a large 2 story house with brand new cars. 1400 a month is entry level skilled labor or factory work. Construction workers get like $20/hour here.

Wages havent been rising much here either so were in the same boat there but we have massively rising inflation .


Inflation could be a problem, that means you need more population , I am still messing with you, don't take my words too seriously
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No, the premise is flawed, we are not running out of land mass. There are 15.77 Billion habitable acres in Texas alone, there are 7.5 billion people, that would be a bit over 2 acres per person. Many times that in the rest of the world.

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No, the premise is flawed, we are not running out of land mass. There are 15.77 Billion habitable acres in Texas alone, there are 7.5 billion people, that would be a bit over 2 acres per person. Many times that in the rest of the world.



I agree with you, learning English has always been the best investment. The thing is, we don't own 15.77 Billion acres of land. Not me, nada, I'd like 2 acres of land, but I don't have one. Who owns those land may I ask? Possibly the government, or private owners, the price? Wouldn't be too cheap I bet, cuz I jacked it up
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I don't think population growth will continue past 10 billion people, if it ever even gets that high (as countries develop birth rate decreases and while stuff is grim in a lot of places countries are still continuing to develop at a reasonable rate). I don't think colonising the sea will be necessary. I think future floating cities could well be a thing though, like Itogami city from Strike the Blood. There are vibration problems and so forth to solve before we could really do that though, unless you picked a very calm part of an ocean.
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I don't think population growth will continue past 10 billion people, if it ever even gets that high (as countries develop birth rate decreases and while stuff is grim in a lot of places countries are still continuing to develop at a reasonable rate). I don't think colonising the sea will be necessary. I think future floating cities could well be a thing though, like Itogami city from Strike the Blood. There are vibration problems and so forth to solve before we could really do that though, unless you picked a very calm part of an ocean.


oh for fucks sake, we (humanity) put a man on the moon when the mustang was a brand new car. we put a whole slew of space station in orbit 30 years ago. we build entire floating cities armed for war.
of course we can coloniize the sea.
it just takes money, or a need.

or some really rich dude to set up his own little nation.
i wonder how many people could live on a converted supertanker.....a few thousand, easy id guess.

gotta check out strike the blood again. i hear they had a season 2
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I don't think population growth will continue past 10 billion people, if it ever even gets that high (as countries develop birth rate decreases and while stuff is grim in a lot of places countries are still continuing to develop at a reasonable rate). I don't think colonising the sea will be necessary. I think future floating cities could well be a thing though, like Itogami city from Strike the Blood. There are vibration problems and so forth to solve before we could really do that though, unless you picked a very calm part of an ocean.


Well, I too like the idea of a sky city, I've looked into the perpetual graphene balloon. But in the end, is it easier to stay in the sky or above water? Yes we could use a mobile sea fortress above the sea, no boat, if it can stay stationary in the middle of the ocean without getting carried away by tides. And it cannot rely on bouyancy then it would drift. Extending poles all the way to the bottom of the ocean? It is doable but there seems to be no easy solution. I also do not like the idea of having the entire ocean covered


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IntenseAutism wrote:

I don't think population growth will continue past 10 billion people, if it ever even gets that high (as countries develop birth rate decreases and while stuff is grim in a lot of places countries are still continuing to develop at a reasonable rate). I don't think colonising the sea will be necessary. I think future floating cities could well be a thing though, like Itogami city from Strike the Blood. There are vibration problems and so forth to solve before we could really do that though, unless you picked a very calm part of an ocean.


oh for fucks sake, we (humanity) put a man on the moon when the mustang was a brand new car. we put a whole slew of space station in orbit 30 years ago. we build entire floating cities armed for war.
of course we can coloniize the sea.
it just takes money, or a need.

or some really rich dude to set up his own little nation.
i wonder how many people could live on a converted supertanker.....a few thousand, easy id guess.

gotta check out strike the blood again. i hear they had a season 2


Lol, thanks for liking my idea. I am still not sure if it would be easier to live above sea or below sea. The Chinese underwater train is just crazy
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Alright, you got me. I've always been comparing the east and the west. Why is it that my salary is only 1400 dollars a month in Taiwan when I can be earning 50k a year in US being a US citizen. It's not like you guys are treating me bad, but hey people here needs a living too. Now I can't really be complaining if we are exporting sub quality products and bad working attitude. Which is not the case for many here, yes I slack off at work . The salary remained like this for the last 20 years and we complain that the government, especially the president, did not give us a raise and kept the same salary for 20 years, if not less. But my thought is that the salary is kept this way not because of the government, but by the world.


I really don't see how your response is relevant to my post. Did you accidently direct it at me?
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sinoakayumi wrote:

America and Europe can suffer from overpopulation problems by their culture and inefficient resource management.


You kidding? You need to go on a road trip across the USA, especially when our drop in births and empty, government-owned land are taken into account. Overpopulation isn't going to be an issue anytime soon, discounting buffoons who only want to squeeze like sardines into already-crowded cities. Culture alone certainly doesn't cause the overpopulation you desire. Yeah, you clearly despise Europe and the USA, but karma or whatever your fueling your assessment on simply doesn't work that way.


Sorry, I thought the buffoon is referring to me lol , ya in a sense I could be one. USA and Europe clearly is much better regulated than Taiwan. And I usually randomly rambling on to make a point I want to get across, and I happen to click on your Quote button because your profile picture is the least appealing, I am sure you are good looking, sorry about that.

The way you make it sounds like, apart from USA and Europe, the rest of the world is not their problem. But apparently the currency value is fixed in such a way that a consensus has to be reached among all countries. Of course this has nothing to do with the population problem, but money permits us to buy land, and Asians, with a low currency setting, can buy no land. In fact, America and Europe probably has enough money to purchase all the lands in Taiwan, not that you guys care .

Why am I rambling on about this? Clearly I have an American passport but I an earning Taiwan salary, my friends back from where I graduated is like, dude, we are earning 100k a year here in America lol. Clearly I went back to Taiwan on my own accord, totally deserves it.

Would it be alright if Taiwan gets the American salary? Same thing if Africans will ever earn enough money to buy food.

Again this post is not directed about you, and alright, I will direct it to all Americans including myself. Yes if you are ever going to sue me I probably won't have enough money to pay you, but clearly I respect all girls, just on the border line of messing around. And I am sorry , forgive me miss and thanks for liking my idea. Clearly I am being rude, but enough said


P.S And if America, can fix this problem, this thread is yours , respect'

Alright here, if the rest of the world is really earning American salary, what would happen?
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wasnt there a game about sea colonization....
dont think it ended too well......


Yeah. X-COM: Terror From the Deep did end kind of badly.


I like the ultraman series though


BioShock tho?
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China is not running out of landmass; less than a third of China's total landmass is populated and the majority of that population is packed into city centers.

As for your solutions:

Above Sea: If you use a vessel large enough you don't even notice the sea swells unless there's a major storm around. The main issues you'd have are storms, tsunamis, the cost of maintaining something that's constantly exposed to salt water (just the machinery on a 700 passenger cruise ship costs about $4000 a day maintain), and the fact that living on a structure like this requires very strict space management policies.

Mid-Sea: Again maintenance, and space management are serious concerns with the added pressurization and oxygenation issues, now add all the issues with Biosphere 2 and drop them about 280 meters below the surface of the ocean.

Below-Sea: Depending on how deep you go the fish won't be bothered in the slightest, especially if they are designed like towers and not like regular cities. Anything you build would displace the water, not remove it. You still have all the problems from the mid-sea level solution but now you have to worry about seaquakes and undersea volcanoes.

All that said, shifting human habitation to the ocean is not necessarily a bad idea, but more thought and study needs to happen before it can be considered an actual solution.

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fredreload wrote:

Immigrants are people too, and if you are suffering in a third world country like North Korea, you'd want to move to the U.S. Alright, so Chinese might completely over populate the Americans for a ratio of 1000 to 1 American by the year 2018. That means people need to start learning Chinese. Ya I'm messing with you, don't take my words too seriously


Considering that the China only has about 5x the population of the US right now, that would be some explosive population growth. I thought there was a population problem of a different nature in China, specifically that due to the one child policy (and cultural reasons), that men far outnumber women and that was at least part of the reason for changing that policy. FYI, the US is currently the third highest population in the world, behind China and India.


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Would it be alright if Taiwan gets the American salary? Same thing if Africans will ever earn enough money to buy food.

Again this post is not directed about you, and alright, I will direct it to all Americans including myself. Yes if you are ever going to sue me I probably won't have enough money to pay you, but clearly I respect all girls, just on the border line of messing around. And I am sorry , forgive me miss and thanks for liking my idea. Clearly I am being rude, but enough said


P.S And if America, can fix this problem, this thread is yours , respect'

Alright here, if the rest of the world is really earning American salary, what would happen?


The US doesn't control salaries in Taiwan. Multinational corporations that are based primarily in the US may control the salary, but the US has little control of their activities outside of the US. About the only thing the US could do is put tarrifs on imports to the US in order to decrease the attractiveness of employing cheap labor abroad. Even if that worked to pull the corporations out of Taiwan, that doesn't mean that salaries in Taiwan would rise.
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China is not running out of landmass; less than a third of China's total landmass is populated and the majority of that population is packed into city centers.

As for your solutions:

Above Sea: If you use a vessel large enough you don't even notice the sea swells unless there's a major storm around. The main issues you'd have are storms, tsunamis, the cost of maintaining something that's constantly exposed to salt water (just the machinery on a 700 passenger cruise ship costs about $4000 a day maintain), and the fact that living on a structure like this requires very strict space management policies.

Mid-Sea: Again maintenance, and space management are serious concerns with the added pressurization and oxygenation issues, now add all the issues with Biosphere 2 and drop them about 280 meters below the surface of the ocean.

Below-Sea: Depending on how deep you go the fish won't be bothered in the slightest, especially if they are designed like towers and not like regular cities. Anything you build would displace the water, not remove it. You still have all the problems from the mid-sea level solution but now you have to worry about seaquakes and undersea volcanoes.

All that said, shifting human habitation to the ocean is not necessarily a bad idea, but more thought and study needs to happen before it can be considered an actual solution.



Hey, thanks for the feedback, It is much easier to stay above sea for the same reason that the entire thing needs to be vacuum sealed mid or below sea. My idea, a platform extends just slightly above sea level. Right you need 4 poles that extends all the way to the bottom of the ocean. Like a huge table. The problem is four poles that extends to the bottom of the ocean sounds inefficient. This is as far as my idea goes.


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Immigrants are people too, and if you are suffering in a third world country like North Korea, you'd want to move to the U.S. Alright, so Chinese might completely over populate the Americans for a ratio of 1000 to 1 American by the year 2018. That means people need to start learning Chinese. Ya I'm messing with you, don't take my words too seriously


Considering that the China only has about 5x the population of the US right now, that would be some explosive population growth. I thought there was a population problem of a different nature in China, specifically that due to the one child policy (and cultural reasons), that men far outnumber women and that was at least part of the reason for changing that policy. FYI, the US is currently the third highest population in the world, behind China and India.


fredreload wrote:

Would it be alright if Taiwan gets the American salary? Same thing if Africans will ever earn enough money to buy food.

Again this post is not directed about you, and alright, I will direct it to all Americans including myself. Yes if you are ever going to sue me I probably won't have enough money to pay you, but clearly I respect all girls, just on the border line of messing around. And I am sorry , forgive me miss and thanks for liking my idea. Clearly I am being rude, but enough said


P.S And if America, can fix this problem, this thread is yours , respect'

Alright here, if the rest of the world is really earning American salary, what would happen?


The US doesn't control salaries in Taiwan. Multinational corporations that are based primarily in the US may control the salary, but the US has little control of their activities outside of the US. About the only thing the US could do is put tarrifs on imports to the US in order to decrease the attractiveness of employing cheap labor abroad. Even if that worked to pull the corporations out of Taiwan, that doesn't mean that salaries in Taiwan would rise.


Welp, 1000 to 1 is a bit exaggerating, uso .

Hmm, but that doesn't make sense. The corporations in Taiwan is just as big as the ones in America, my company is not U.S based. And even in the U.S there could be small companies. Now if the company is earning lots of money, why do they keep the salary low? Is it decided by the government? This whole salary range just does not make sense, it should be based on skills and outputs. Even then people here are earning a base salary of 1000 dollars a month for fresh graduates, mutually. Mine is slightly higher being 1400 dollars.

Is it going to be kept this way?
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Welp, 1000 to 1 is a bit exaggerating, uso .

Hmm, but that doesn't make sense. The corporations in Taiwan is just as big as the ones in America, my company is not U.S based. And even in the U.S there could be small companies. Now if the company is earning lots of money, why do they keep the salary low? Is it decided by the government? This whole salary range just does not make sense, it should be based on skills and outputs. Even then people here are earning a base salary of 1000 dollars a month for fresh graduates, mutually. Mine is slightly higher being 1400 dollars.

Is it going to be kept this way?


I had "may" in italics, because I don't know if US based corps have an impact on the salaries in Taiwan, but it was possible, where the US government doesn't have an impact on the salaries in Taiwan. I couldn't speak to what is causing the salary to be kept low there, I don't live there, nor am I studied on what the economic situation is there. You were comparing US and Taiwan salaries and indicating that it was incorrect for someone to say was not a US problem or concern. If the US, or even US based corps, have no control over the situation, why should they make it a concern, other than to make sure they have covered themselves in case of failure of the Taiwan economy?
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