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So much truth in that article. Overpopulation of humans, pollution, global warming, rising ocean temperatures, extinctions--all of which are caused by human activities, and the cascade effects in the ecological systems due to all of these problems.

My solution? These scientists need to invent a human-targeted super virus that will wipe off 5 billion humans off this planet instantly--this is the only way to fix the current shit going on right now. I have no sympathy for humanity. Literally no point reasoning with politicians and retards.

Either that, or they need to stop combating pandemics, pandemics are nature's way of saying, "We need to get rid of these cancerous species right now".
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Parts of nature that humans don't like enough to keep around are destroyed.


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My solution? These scientists need to invent a human-targeted super virus that will wipe off 5 billion humans off this planet instantly--this is the only way to fix the current shit going on right now. I have no sympathy for humanity. Literally no point reasoning with politicians and retards.

Either that, or they need to stop combating pandemics, pandemics are nature's way of saying, "We need to get rid of these cancerous species right now".


And I have no sympathy for heretics and traitors! The enemies of man should be purged in cleansing flame!
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I thought you meant the world was going to explode soon or something. Now I am disappointed.
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It's not a big deal if useless animals go extinct. We may want to preserve samples for scientific purposes, but that's all. Obviously, the planet should be exploited 100% to support human life, which will likely mean drastically changing the environment.
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We live in the information age, but I feel as if we have less truth and knowledge in just about every facet of life. Hard to know what truth anymore (fake news) when people have an agenda in just about everything. Even the definition of truth is wrong.

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Truth - a fact or belief that is accepted as true.

What? If something is accepted as true it's truth...? lol
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And I have no sympathy for heretics and traitors! The enemies of man should be purged in cleansing flame!


The real traitors are those who keep polluting and damaging this planet that created and sheltered them.
I wouldn't be surprised if one day a super virus emerge to wipe out this growing cancer, or a giant asteroid causing the extinction of this cancer.
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Roencia wrote:

We live in the information age, but I feel as if we have less truth and knowledge in just about every facet of life. Hard to know what truth anymore (fake news) when people have an agenda in just about everything. Even the definition of truth is wrong.

Dictionary:

Truth - a fact or belief that is accepted as true.

What? If something is accepted as true it's truth...? lol :)


Yeah, human activities such as poaching causing the extinction of species is totally fake news. Pollution in marine ecosystems causing extinctions of a species that are food for another species which cause a chain extinction reaction are fake news.

Meanwhile, talking to imaginary friends is considered real. This world is retarded.
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Who cares in the end? In a few billion years the Sun will die, and the Earth will be consumed by superheated gas. We'll probably die then, or sooner, or later.

It doesn't really matter, now does it?

I hope I've been able to enlighten your world, if only for a few moments.

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Rowan93 wrote:
And I have no sympathy for heretics and traitors! The enemies of man should be purged in cleansing flame!


The real traitors are those who keep polluting and damaging this planet that created and sheltered them.
I wouldn't be surprised if one day a super virus emerge to wipe out this growing cancer, or a giant asteroid causing the extinction of this cancer.


Earth has been trying to kill us for a million years. It already sent a super-virus or three after us, and the fact that the Wikipedia article reads "smallpox was an infectious disease..." is one of the greatest victories in humanity's eternal bloody struggle.

Nature will keep trying to kill us. We will keep winning. It is the way of things.
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Rowan93 wrote:
And I have no sympathy for heretics and traitors! The enemies of man should be purged in cleansing flame!


The real traitors are those who keep polluting and damaging this planet that created and sheltered them.
I wouldn't be surprised if one day a super virus emerge to wipe out this growing cancer, or a giant asteroid causing the extinction of this cancer.


Earth has been trying to kill us for a million years. It already sent a super-virus or three after us, and the fact that the Wikipedia article reads "smallpox was an infectious disease..." is one of the greatest victories in humanity's eternal bloody struggle.

Nature will keep trying to kill us. We will keep winning. It is the way of things.


Smallpox, HIV, SARS, and co are not super viruses hence they couldn't make humans go extinct. They are what I call...just a nail under your toe, but they don't do any major damage to the human population. There are even several (although rare) cases of people already having a natural immunity to HIV.

A super virus should have the mutation properties of HIV, the ability to mutate quickly, plus contagious via respiration. HIV dies super easily and quickly in an outside environment, it's near impossible to contract it outside of sex/syringe contamination. And the viruses that can survive for long periods in air can't mutate quickly enough to defend against vaccinations.

So count your blessings, but one day an evil scientist will hopefully make a super virus or nature will make one.
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I was about to criticize CBS for clickbaiting what should be a serious scientific article then I saw that the scientific paper in question really is entitled "Biological Annihilation".

I suppose that's one way to get people to pay attention to a science journal.



apparently they still wont pay attention, they'll bitch about windmills


Windmills are of great concern to bird populations. To discount them is doing a great injustice.

Estimates for bird deaths by wind turbine run from 100,000 a year (the National Research Council) to 300,000 (American Bird Conservancy). Bloomberg News puts the toll at 573,000 birds in 2012. At the high end of the estimates, that's well more than 1,000 birds chopped to death each day.

Meanwhile, as many as 28,000 birds are killed each year — that's one every two minutes — by the Ivanpah solar plant in the Mojave Desert, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service . Ivanpah focuses more than 300,000 mirrors on three 459-foot towers, generating heat of up to 800 degrees — enough to fry birds that happen to fly by.

To be fair, the 2010 BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico did do substantial damage to fowl in the region. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service reports that 2,303 "visibly oiled" dead birds were collected "within the Deepwater Horizon/BP incident impact area."

But oil spills the size of the BP accident don't happen every year. Deaths caused by wind turbines and solar farms, however, don't stop. The Daily Caller reports that "in the time since the 2010 BP oil spill, some 2.9 million birds have been killed by wind turbines."



Wildlife expert Jim Wiegand has documented how areas searched under wind turbines are still confined to 200-foot radiuses, even though modern monster turbines catapult 80% of bird and bat carcasses much further. Windfarm owners, operating under voluntary (!) USFWS guidelines, commission studies that search much-too-small areas, look only once every 30-90 days, ensuring that scavengers remove most carcasses, and ignore wounded birds that happen to be found within search perimeters.



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This hypothetical ecological disaster could be an example of Capitalism failing due to its negate of external cost, public good, and shared resource. The natural environment can be a sort of public good that provide resource like clean water, food, shelter, and medicine to both humans and animals. Those resources can be shared but not owned as they cannot be stored for long period. The more advanced human societies will alter the local habitat as the internal cost of environmental destruction outweight the benefit of land development even when it incur enomous cost to other animals who live in those habitat.


Capitalism does a much better job than the communist delusion.

More Than 80 Percent of China’s Groundwater Polluted: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2031587-more-than-80-percent-of-chinas-groundwater-polluted/


Hey there Rujikin :)
While I appreciate & respect that you have put some effort into your response here, I just wanted to advise that the point on wind turbine bird mortality is missing a teensy bit of context:

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/trumps-hot-air-on-wind-energy/

i.e. while annual bird mortality from wind turbine strike estimates are indeed sitting at around half a million per year,
U.S. bird mortality from cats & general building strike is well over 1 billion annually:

Even still, there are greater threats to birds than energy production, including cats and buildings.

A 2013 Nature study by Loss and others estimated that “free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0 billion birds” in the U.S. annually. But the researchers added, “Un-owned cats, as opposed to owned pets, cause the majority of this mortality.”

In another study published in the journal The Condor in 2014, Loss and colleagues also estimated “that between 365 [million] and 988 million birds … are killed annually by building collisions in the U.S., with roughly 56% of mortality at low-rises, 44% at residences, and <1% at high-rises.”


Your point 'Capitalism does a much better job than the communist delusion." also is somewhat misplaced, as China is far from 'Communist' in the sense that communism means collective ownership governed by the people for the people in a classless society. China is more like a dictatorial oligarchy overseen by a powerful committee, where those in the club of friends at the top lead lives of incalculable wealth gained from commercial success, while exploiting what amounts to slave labour, maintaining order through brutal oppression & espionage to find & eliminate dissent. Those in the club of friends who fall out of favour are exposed and punished for 'corruption' & 'crimes against the people'. Not so different from the 'democratic' capitalist contemporary Russia. U.S. citizens who currently have well paid jobs may disagree because they cannot see it, but the widening gap between haves and have nots is rapidly painting a similar picture in many western supposed 'democracies'. That gap is the true manifestation of societal 'class'. It is a symptom of the 'swamp' which U.S. voters attempted to protest against, not understanding that Trump and his corporate cronies are in fact, the underlying cause of the swamp. The established stagnation of the two party democratic political system was only ever the corrupted middle man standing between the voter and the corporate sponsors who lobbied congress & influenced the judicial system into giving corporations human rights. Corporations have far more wealth & power than any human, and behave like a sociopath, since their mandated raison d'etre is profit for shareholders, and corporate law in fact prohibits decisions favouring ethical choices if that would cause a loss. This has forever tipped the playing field in a slow race towards pseudo-dictatorship & the next eventual violent uprising. Dissenters are called terrorists. Sri Lanka got rid of most of their dissenters in 2009 in a bloody genocide against the Tamil ethnic group by the Sinhalese government.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/03/sri-lanka-slaughter-no-fire-zone
Racial cleansing by any other name - might sound something like a 'muslim ban', but I have gone off topic :-)

Your point on contaminated groundwater has far more in common with corporate greed in China, which is just as prevalent in the U.S. which helps to drive China's export of cheap goods through slave labour.
The contamination of groundwater from fracking in the U.S. would appear to negate any point attempting to paint China or 'communism' as a causative factor or even correlation:
e.g.
http://news.stanford.edu/2016/02/18/aaas-jackson-water-021816/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fracking-can-contaminate-drinking-water/

If anything, in this respect, both China & the U.S. are equally deluded, & neither are doing a 'better job'


Anyway, the point here remains that renewable energy sources are both by definition, and through studies taken in context, not a leading cause of biological mortality, nor are they the threat to ecological stability which fossil fuels & toxic byproducts from mining cause throughout the entire cycle of extraction, processing, transport & use.

Someone earlier made some point - ah! It was also you: :)


Rujikin wrote:This type of thing already happened in Europe long ago. Humans left the species that lived with us alone while ones hosthostile to humans got wiped out. It used to be that there were areas where nature still dominated but now those places are having mass overpopulation.


I'm guessing your point is that we are in a simple process of 'survival of the fittest' - although any suggestion that humans are doing a tolerable job of correctly distinguishing & eliminating only 'hostile' species (as opposed to ecologically non-beneficial) ignores complexities of vital ecological chains, which sustain higher life forms, balancing predator & predated, to the point of enabling arable land soil & non-toxic water for crops, & preventing excessive ocean surface acidity from CO2 intake, which impacts zooplankton & phytoplankton populations at the very bottom of the food chain & oxygenation cycle, respectively.
Ultimately, human overpopulation will be curtailed when we eventually drown in our own collective filth, but it won't be pretty, and there will be a minority of wealthy elites leading unaffected lives as they contribute to the misery of the masses dying outside their shielded biohabitats.
:-)

Nice posting, cya4now
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Rujikin wrote:


rawratl wrote:


runec wrote:

I was about to criticize CBS for clickbaiting what should be a serious scientific article then I saw that the scientific paper in question really is entitled "Biological Annihilation".

I suppose that's one way to get people to pay attention to a science journal.



apparently they still wont pay attention, they'll bitch about windmills


Windmills are of great concern to bird populations. To discount them is doing a great injustice.

Estimates for bird deaths by wind turbine run from 100,000 a year (the National Research Council) to 300,000 (American Bird Conservancy). Bloomberg News puts the toll at 573,000 birds in 2012. At the high end of the estimates, that's well more than 1,000 birds chopped to death each day.

Meanwhile, as many as 28,000 birds are killed each year — that's one every two minutes — by the Ivanpah solar plant in the Mojave Desert, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service . Ivanpah focuses more than 300,000 mirrors on three 459-foot towers, generating heat of up to 800 degrees — enough to fry birds that happen to fly by.

To be fair, the 2010 BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico did do substantial damage to fowl in the region. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service reports that 2,303 "visibly oiled" dead birds were collected "within the Deepwater Horizon/BP incident impact area."

But oil spills the size of the BP accident don't happen every year. Deaths caused by wind turbines and solar farms, however, don't stop. The Daily Caller reports that "in the time since the 2010 BP oil spill, some 2.9 million birds have been killed by wind turbines."



Wildlife expert Jim Wiegand has documented how areas searched under wind turbines are still confined to 200-foot radiuses, even though modern monster turbines catapult 80% of bird and bat carcasses much further. Windfarm owners, operating under voluntary (!) USFWS guidelines, commission studies that search much-too-small areas, look only once every 30-90 days, ensuring that scavengers remove most carcasses, and ignore wounded birds that happen to be found within search perimeters.



sinoakayumi wrote:

This hypothetical ecological disaster could be an example of Capitalism failing due to its negate of external cost, public good, and shared resource. The natural environment can be a sort of public good that provide resource like clean water, food, shelter, and medicine to both humans and animals. Those resources can be shared but not owned as they cannot be stored for long period. The more advanced human societies will alter the local habitat as the internal cost of environmental destruction outweight the benefit of land development even when it incur enomous cost to other animals who live in those habitat.


Capitalism does a much better job than the communist delusion.

More Than 80 Percent of China’s Groundwater Polluted: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2031587-more-than-80-percent-of-chinas-groundwater-polluted/


Hey there Rujikin :)
While I appreciate & respect that you have put some effort into your response here, I just wanted to advise that the point on wind turbine bird mortality is missing a teensy bit of context:

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/trumps-hot-air-on-wind-energy/

i.e. while annual bird mortality from wind turbine strike estimates are indeed sitting at around half a million per year,
U.S. bird mortality from cats & general building strike is well over 1 billion annually:

Even still, there are greater threats to birds than energy production, including cats and buildings.

A 2013 Nature study by Loss and others estimated that “free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0 billion birds” in the U.S. annually. But the researchers added, “Un-owned cats, as opposed to owned pets, cause the majority of this mortality.”

In another study published in the journal The Condor in 2014, Loss and colleagues also estimated “that between 365 [million] and 988 million birds … are killed annually by building collisions in the U.S., with roughly 56% of mortality at low-rises, 44% at residences, and <1% at high-rises.”


Your point 'Capitalism does a much better job than the communist delusion." also is somewhat misplaced, as China is far from 'Communist' in the sense that communism means collective ownership governed by the people for the people in a classless society. China is more like a dictatorial oligarchy overseen by a powerful committee, where those in the club of friends at the top lead lives of incalculable wealth gained from commercial success, while exploiting what amounts to slave labour, maintaining order through brutal oppression & espionage to find & eliminate dissent. Those in the club of friends who fall out of favour are exposed and punished for 'corruption' & 'crimes against the people'. Not so different from the 'democratic' capitalist contemporary Russia. U.S. citizens who currently have well paid jobs may disagree because they cannot see it, but the widening gap between haves and have nots is rapidly painting a similar picture in many western supposed 'democracies'. That gap is the true manifestation of societal 'class'. It is a symptom of the 'swamp' which U.S. voters attempted to protest against, not understanding that Trump and his corporate cronies are in fact, the underlying cause of the swamp. The established stagnation of the two party democratic political system was only ever the corrupted middle man standing between the voter and the corporate sponsors who lobbied congress & influenced the judicial system into giving corporations human rights. Corporations have far more wealth & power than any human, and behave like a sociopath, since their mandated raison d'etre is profit for shareholders, and corporate law in fact prohibits decisions favouring ethical choices if that would cause a loss. This has forever tipped the playing field in a slow race towards pseudo-dictatorship & the next eventual violent uprising. Dissenters are called terrorists. Sri Lanka got rid of most of their dissenters in 2009 in a bloody genocide against the Tamil ethnic group by the Sinhalese government.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/03/sri-lanka-slaughter-no-fire-zone
Racial cleansing by any other name - might sound something like a 'muslim ban', but I have gone off topic :-)

Your point on contaminated groundwater has far more in common with corporate greed in China, which is just as prevalent in the U.S. which helps to drive China's export of cheap goods through slave labour.
The contamination of groundwater from fracking in the U.S. would appear to negate any point attempting to paint China or 'communism' as a causative factor or even correlation:
e.g.
http://news.stanford.edu/2016/02/18/aaas-jackson-water-021816/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fracking-can-contaminate-drinking-water/

If anything, in this respect, both China & the U.S. are equally deluded, & neither are doing a 'better job'


Anyway, the point here remains that renewable energy sources are both by definition, and through studies taken in context, not a leading cause of biological mortality, nor are they the threat to ecological stability which fossil fuels & toxic byproducts from mining cause throughout the entire cycle of extraction, processing, transport & use.

Someone earlier made some point - ah! It was also you: :)


Rujikin wrote:This type of thing already happened in Europe long ago. Humans left the species that lived with us alone while ones hosthostile to humans got wiped out. It used to be that there were areas where nature still dominated but now those places are having mass overpopulation.


I'm guessing your point is that we are in a simple process of 'survival of the fittest' - although any suggestion that humans are doing a tolerable job of correctly distinguishing & eliminating only 'hostile' species (as opposed to ecologically non-beneficial) ignores complexities of vital ecological chains, which sustain higher life forms, balancing predator & predated, to the point of enabling arable land soil & non-toxic water for crops, & preventing excessive ocean surface acidity from CO2 intake, which impacts zooplankton & phytoplankton populations at the very bottom of the food chain & oxygenation cycle, respectively.
Ultimately, human overpopulation will be curtailed when we eventually drown in our own collective filth, but it won't be pretty, and there will be a minority of wealthy elites leading unaffected lives as they contribute to the misery of the masses dying outside their shielded biohabitats.
:-)

Nice posting, cya4now


The birds most affected by this are large birds and often the predatory birds like eagles which tend to have population issues frequently. The smaller birds that are cat food are not as heavily affected. You really missed that important context.


China had the communist revolution designed to create a classless society. They created a communist state and like all communist states it turns into the haves (politicians and military) and the have nots (everyone else). This is the truest form of communism because they found a communistic system that is sustainable. "True" communism cannot exist with humans this is the closest you will get to communism short of everyone just starving to death.

Our population has clean drinking water and China doesnt. How exactly is China doing better than. The USA when we can drink our water and thy cannot? Do you see the logic disconnect?

So are you for nuclear power? We could power ourselves with that and its a clean energy that can work NOW.

The USA is quite sustainable along with all of the Americas and Europe. If we walled ourselves off and blocked off the Asians/Africans we would be sustainable while they would have mass starvations. We are much better off and doing a much better job than those countries.
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So much truth in that article. Overpopulation of humans, pollution, global warming, rising ocean temperatures, extinctions--all of which are caused by human activities, and the cascade effects in the ecological systems due to all of these problems.

My solution? These scientists need to invent a human-targeted super virus that will wipe off 5 billion humans off this planet instantly--this is the only way to fix the current shit going on right now. I have no sympathy for humanity. Literally no point reasoning with politicians and retards.

Either that, or they need to stop combating pandemics, pandemics are nature's way of saying, "We need to get rid of these cancerous species right now".


Are you fucking kidding me? Doing that will remove almost any chance chance we have of actually finding a solution to these issues. We are the most intelligent life forms on this planet if we don't survive nothing else will be able to do anything about these issues. Indiscriminately destroying 71% of human life will also drastically reduce the amount of geniuses/smart people(who exist/are born into this world) who can actually contribute to finding a solution.
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