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Posted 7/13/17 , edited 7/13/17

gsm642 wrote:

Can someone confirm this but is it true that is we loose that isps can charge us a fee for connecting to services like Netflix xbox live and psn.


Pretty much, yeah.
They can easily just tackle on a fee on top of your PSN subscription and normal Internet plan. For example:

You pay $60 a year for PSN (through Sony).
You pay $60 a month for Internet (through ISP).
ISP says, "Oh, you use Playstation Network? In order to access that, you need to add on our "Gamer Package" which allows you access to Xbox Live and Playstation Network. That's another $19.99 per month."
> You now pay $79.99 plus taxes per month for your Internet and access to PSN/XBL to your ISP.
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gsm642 wrote:

Can someone confirm this but is it true that is we loose that isps can charge us a fee for connecting to services like Netflix xbox live and psn.


Pretty much, yeah.
They can easily just tackle on a fee on top of your PSN subscription and normal Internet plan. For example:

You pay $60 a year for PSN (through Sony).
You pay $60 a month for Internet (through ISP).
ISP says, "Oh, you use Playstation Network? In order to access that, you need to add on our "Gamer Package" which allows you access to Xbox Live and Playstation Network. That's another $19.99 per month."
> You now pay $79.99 plus taxes per month for your Internet and access to PSN/XBL to your ISP.


That's bullshit, a large corporation would never do something so anti consumer.
Posted 7/13/17

Magical-Soul wrote:
That's bullshit, a large corporation would never do something so anti consumer.


That's the whole logic of net neutrality. It prevents ISPs from doing such a thing. In the age where several companies are the monopolies of internet access in the US (and even then, the large corporations own the lines that the smaller/local companies use to give you access), there wouldn't be too much that you can do about it.

In a more realistic sense, I wouldn't see them charging $19.99 to access PSN/XBL. It'd be closer to $4-7 more a month for such "packages". When you have no other option, they can be as anti-consumer as they want and you're just faced with the ability to have internet or not.
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Posted 7/13/17

ninjitsuko wrote:


Magical-Soul wrote:
That's bullshit, a large corporation would never do something so anti consumer.


That's the whole logic of net neutrality. It prevents ISPs from doing such a thing. In the age where several companies are the monopolies of internet access in the US (and even then, the large corporations own the lines that the smaller/local companies use to give you access), there wouldn't be too much that you can do about it.

In a more realistic sense, I wouldn't see them charging $19.99 to access PSN/XBL. It'd be closer to $4-7 more a month for such "packages". When you have no other option, they can be as anti-consumer as they want and you're just faced with the ability to have internet or not.


Hun, I was being sarcastic. I know(and expect) large companies to be anti consumer.
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I have my doubts about net neutrality. The net wouldn't be free so much as it would be controlled by the government to some extent. Even if the government doesn't abuse its power over the net, that still leads to potential issues. Of course, companies controlling the net can arguably be a bigger issue, but I personally distrust the government more.

Here's a neutral blog post on the subject I find interesting (guy is neither for nor against).

https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/654-FC-Net-Neutrality.html


I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the government created the internet and has been controlling (i.e. regulating it) through various agencies since the very beginning.

That's not really what this discussion is about.

This discussion is about access to the internet as consumers. Which pretty much encompasses the entire US population outside of government agencies.

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I don't really care for net neutrality, but my CR account is here to stay. Other than what the OP said, what's the worst that could happen?
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Posted 7/13/17
I already placed a comment with the FCC. ISP's in this area already have a monopoly and get away with far too much--last thing we need is the main source of information being dictated by entities with far too much monetary interests.


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I just don't understand all the whining about corporations these days. Are some bad actors, sure. However, even back when corporations were at their worst, back in the days before anti-trust laws no corporation ever rounded people up and put them in camps. Governments have. Even the US government has rounded people up.. twice.. in it's history. No corporation was behind the round up either.

Big governments are far more scary than any big corporation.

When big corporations go bad, the worst they do is trick you out of your money and sometimes all of your possessions.
When big governments go bad, they take your freedom and sometimes your life and all of your possessions too.

This is self evident.
Posted 7/13/17 , edited 7/13/17

GardanTheBlue wrote:
Big governments are far more scary than any big corporation.


I agree with you to a finite point. In the modern day society, "big business" is impacting/influencing "big government". This is self-evident in situations like Net Neutrality. Even though the FCC is restricting big business from performing a vast amount of anti-consumer decisions with its previous sanctions around Net Neutrality, it didn't really impact anything negatively (in business or government). But now that the FCC is removing regulations/sanctions (they want to, at least), this would allow "big business" to rub elbows with "big government" and they both make out like bandits (financially speaking, as well as in regard to "power"). Without regulations, the government could rub elbows with businesses to stop end users from accessing sites that are critical of the government, or sites like WikiLeaks that give out information that makes the citizen question "big government".

Basically: Allowing "big corporation/business" to usurp the "big government" will only empower both corporation and government. Even if we want the government out of business (and vice versa), it's far too late to do this without a purge of all aspects of both (former and current administrations would have to be barred from interacting with "big corporation" and current/previous employees of "big corporation" would have to be barred from running for government positions).


Magical-Soul wrote:

Hun, I was being sarcastic. I know(and expect) large companies to be anti consumer.


Sorry, there.
Textual sarcasm is a bit of a tricky thing to analyze or interpret.

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Posted 7/13/17

KurtIrving wrote:

I don't really care for net neutrality, but my CR account is here to stay. Other than what the OP said, what's the worst that could happen?


Some sites you visit may disappear as they're not offered in future internet packages your service provider offers.

They won't literally vanish, but you won't have access to them.
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GardanTheBlue wrote:


I just don't understand all the whining about corporations these days. Are some bad actors, sure. However, even back when corporations were at their worst, back in the days before anti-trust laws no corporation ever rounded people up and put them in camps. Governments have. Even the US government has rounded people up.. twice.. in it's history. No corporation was behind the round up either.

Big governments are far more scary than any big corporation.

When big corporations go bad, the worst they do is trick you out of your money and sometimes all of your possessions.
When big governments go bad, they take your freedom and sometimes your life and all of your possessions too.

This is self evident.


When corporations go really bad they buy your politicians and control your government.
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Some sites you visit may disappear as they're not offered in future internet packages your service provider offers.

They won't literally vanish, but you won't have access to them.


Or maybe websites including the likes of KAT will go to the deep web, where TPB will remain. Btw, I'm outside of US, so the impact of net neutrality won't necessarily affect me deeply.

Hopefully, in the US, people won't be censored, have their data filtered or monitored online exactly like in China, Egypt or Syria. I know people in Egypt were trying to fight for online freedom.
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Posted 7/13/17
at&t owns CR

they own my internet too

at&t.. mightier than we know...
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Posted 7/14/17
now your isp can sell all of your internet history. in the case of at&t they can give preferential treatment aka no data costs to directv's direct tv now streaming service thus killing any and all compitition in their sandbox. more importantly at&t is fighting the obama era regulations that treat isps like utilities. because despite the fact that at&t, comcast and the soon to be owned by at&t time warner cable all have government subsidised monoplies and all screw over the consumer. so yes this is a big deal and pr men from them cannot refute the fact that removing utility status from isps will screw us.
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Posted 7/14/17
Doesn't really matter. in real life people can fight to death and not really get stuck on ideas like blackmail.

Humanity has gotten too used to living bound by laws meant to keep the masses repressed. Attempting to control the internet or any source of knowledge is a repeating occurrence for humans that tell themselves they gotta depend on others.

One day people will stand up for themselves en masse. That day, everyone will finally realize how dumb it is ever fearing anyone pretending they bend your will.
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