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This is more of a discussion to provoke awareness but, at the time goes on and we are starting to build these fusion reactors, I can't help but wonder how safe it would get.

The idea, since Einstein invented the nuke there is a 1/1000 chance it would create a fusion reaction that would turn the entire world into a sun. Nuclear fission has enough heat to cause fusion(I think around 5000 degrees), fusion in the air would cause a chain reaction with oxygen and turns the entire world into a sun.

So when you create a fusion reactor, it needs to be vacuum sealed, if you create fusion in mid air, you could cause a chain reaction and turn the entire world into a sun. This is speculation on my part and from my Physics teach back in high school

P.S Alright maybe fusion power plant would not reach critical mass, I do like to embrace free energy anyway
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Hmmm, don't worry you're not the only one to think about this, and yeah is is scary. But honestly I doubt we're going to see a ban, even nationwide, or wherever you live, much less a international ban on Reactors. I'd have hoped people would have gotten the idea after Chernobyl, but its just not happening.

No, until we can find a quick, clean, cheaper or at least equal alternative, and that can generate the same energy output, I think that they're here to stay.

And you are right, free energy is cool energy.
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RyukoKuroki wrote:

Hmmm, don't worry you're not the only one to think about this, and yeah is is scary. But honestly I doubt we're going to see a ban, even nationwide, or wherever you live, much less a international ban on Reactors. I'd have hoped people would have gotten the idea after Chernobyl, but its just not happening.

No, until we can find a quick, clean, cheaper or at least equal alternative, and that can generate the same energy output, I think that they're here to stay.

And you are right, free energy is cool energy.


Welp, I sort of, improved the design, but people would have thought of it anyway . I'd rather spend time working on something else like the free memory module, ever since I watched a clip on Prey 18+ I've been interested in that matter. It is a messed up, messed up, game though so try it only if you like horror games, I just find the story interesting
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A couple of things

Chernobyl was caused in good part by people (electrical engineers, if I recall correctly, who had no business messing with the nuclear stuff) overriding literally all the safety protocols to the point that they had to unplug the computer running the safety protocols to continue.

As for the general point, the easiest solution is a fuck ton of water. I'm dead serious in this. I don't know all the details and if it scales when you start talking about fusion.
But for a general fission reaction you need a medium to facilitate it. Water works as one. However, water also boils away. So if the reaction starts to go out of control, it will burn off all the water maintaining the reaction, causing the reaction to stop. Surprisingly simple, but it works. Off shoot of this is that if you see a reactor, it's not smoke coming out the top. It's steam.

In general though, you do have some good points. Fission (in bombs specifically) is started by setting off a smaller bomb in the casing.
I don't know enough about this stuff to say whether fission can cause fusion or the likely hood of fusion running wild, though.


But, also on the list of things that could concern you if your looking at it like this is the CERN. They are literally making miniature black holes that fade in a second because of how small and how little energy they have.
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The idea, since Einstein invented the nuke there is a 1/1000 chance it would create a fusion reaction that would turn the entire world into a sun. Nuclear fission has enough heat to cause fusion(I think around 5000 degrees), fusion in the air would cause a chain reaction with oxygen and turns the entire world into a sun.


There have been close to 2000 nuclear detonations so far.

You could not turn Earth into a sun. Earth has neither the composition, fuel nor gravitational pressure required.




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Same thing as runec said: There's not nearly enough pressure in earth's atmosphere to allow a nuke to fuse the earth's atmosphere. Also: oxygen, nitrogen, and carbon dioxide won't fuse nearly as easily as hydrogen, and compared to the three previous, hydrogen is a lot less common. There is absolutely NO reason to fear that a nuclear bomb would ignite earth's atmosphere.
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Hydrogen bombs are literally fusion bombs. They use fission to create enough pressure on tritrinium to cause them to fuse and that's what causes the second dary explosion. They explode because they dont have enough mass or gravity to keep a stable reaction going.

No number of nukes will cause the earth to turn into a sun. Even Jupiter is only 1/4th the density to turn into a sun. Fusion explosions tear apart anything that doesnt have enough gravity to contain the fusion explosions and earth has low gravity.
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Hydrogen bombs are literally fusion bombs. They use fission to create enough pressure on tritrinium to cause them to fuse and that's what causes the second dary explosion. They explode because they dont have enough mass or gravity to keep a stable reaction going.

No number of nukes will cause the earth to turn into a sun. Even Jupiter is only 1/4th the density to turn into a sun. Fusion explosions tear apart anything that doesnt have enough gravity to contain the fusion explosions and earth has low gravity.


Everything fuses given high enough temperature, it's not like only hydrogen fuses, even earth's soil fuses, water fuses, speculation
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Everything fuses given high enough temperature, it's not like only hydrogen fuses, even earth's soil fuses, water fuses, speculation


Are you mistaking fusion and melting points or something?

Fusion requires pressure. It doesn't chain react in the way you seem to be thinking. The reaction ends the moment the initial conditions end. That's why we have such a problem trying to create a meaningful fusion reactor with our current tech. It requires more energy to start and maintain then it produces.





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runec wrote:


fredreload wrote:
Everything fuses given high enough temperature, it's not like only hydrogen fuses, even earth's soil fuses, water fuses, speculation


Are you mistaking fusion and melting points or something?

Fusion requires pressure. It doesn't chain react in the way you seem to be thinking. The reaction ends the moment the initial conditions end. That's why we have such a problem trying to create a meaningful fusion reactor with our current tech. It requires more energy to start and maintain then it produces.







Well that's the same as saying the sun won't burn forever . The point of the fusion reactor is it would produce more energy then start, for ITER, 10 times more energy


P.S I apologize, I assume the sun is running with fusion based on instinct. But the ITER fusion reactor does produce more power than inputs, it is just still being built at the moment, so there currently isn't a successful fusion reactor, but that is their goal, to produce more energy than the inputs. You could say the sun is more dense than earth or something, I wouldn't argue with that one
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fredreload wrote:
Well that's the same as saying the sun won't burn forever .


It won't. >_>.



fredreload wrote:
P.S I apologize, I assume the sun is running with fusion based on instinct.


It is. But the sun has immense gravitational pressure going for it to maintain fusion.

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fredreload wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

Hydrogen bombs are literally fusion bombs. They use fission to create enough pressure on tritrinium to cause them to fuse and that's what causes the second dary explosion. They explode because they dont have enough mass or gravity to keep a stable reaction going.

No number of nukes will cause the earth to turn into a sun. Even Jupiter is only 1/4th the density to turn into a sun. Fusion explosions tear apart anything that doesnt have enough gravity to contain the fusion explosions and earth has low gravity.


Everything fuses given high enough temperature, it's not like only hydrogen fuses, even earth's soil fuses, water fuses, speculation


Chemical and Nuclear "fusion" are two different things. Chemical bonding means two atoms share electrons which keeps their atoms together. Nuclear fusion combines the atoms of both into a single atom of a higher atomic weight.



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