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Posted 7/13/17 , edited 7/14/17
So, a lot of times I feel like Weird Al Yankovic captured it in: "word crimes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc

I find the way some people write online hard to read and it leaves a bad impression as to their intelligence/education.

especially since it's almost always native speakers of the language as oppose to someone for whom English is a second language (or more).

What do you think? Do I have a point? Am I a "Grammar Nazi"?

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PS: I contemptuously dismiss threads that can't spell the words "you" and "are"


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Posted 7/13/17 , edited 7/14/17
Grammar is a horrible representation of intelligence and education the fact people use it as a be all ends all is stupid it's an indication sure but once you get indoctrinated with the belief "People with bad grammar aren't intelligent" you completely ignore all possibilities such as disorders and difficulties with one subject area.

I think people need to lighten up as long as you can get the point across grammar shouldn't be something people need to complain and piss over if someone missuses "your" i think big deal lighten up by having 30 people correcting them it looks like they are dicks o/
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Posted 7/13/17 , edited 7/13/17
I think there ought to be a sensible amount of grammar, but when I'm online I tend to replicate my thoughts--misusing em dashes in order to do so. My thoughts hardly have periods in them--they collide, ramble, and intersect. They are quite often better represented with scandalously used em dashes. My thoughts being this way are in large part due to my anxiety disorder--as my cognitive processes instantaneously 'straighten' when I am on my medication.

That being said...grammar and spelling are hardly the best indicator of intelligence. Someone who is grammatically repugnant can surprise you with a good argument. There are a lot of people today with dyslexia as well, and their intelligence among others would be detrimentally judged by their ability to use proper grammar and spelling. There are many forms of intelligence, and assuming all are verbal, as opposed, for example, to visual--is a mistake.

It's the same ill perception that plagues the autistic population, where people presume that an inability to communicate means that intelligence or empathy must not be present.

Granted, such quick judgements are natively human and impossible to avoid, but at a time like this where one has the privilege of time to give their quick judgements second thought--it is best to do so.



You'd also be missing out on some wise opinions of those who had not the fortune of a proper education. Brilliance can be found in the strangest of places.
Posted 7/13/17 , edited 7/13/17
I, in part, agree with Ryulightorb. The end-user who instantly dismisses a post or comment given by someone strictly because of their poor use of grammar is ignoring a possible opinion that would enhance their own (or on the contrary, refute it). At the same time, I do believe it's a fair indication as to one's overall capacity when it comes to writing in their own language. I have noticed that many English speakers dismiss the opinions or comments of those who are from countries that do not have English as their native language. A few misplaced adjectives or slightly "off the cuff" grammar usage doesn't ever create a scenario that the person is entirely "incompetent".

The notion of a "Grammar Nazi" came about because people make it their part-time job to correct the spelling or grammar usage of others on the Internet. The only people I even bother getting close to getting this label from are close friends of mine (or girlfriends/ex-girlfriends). This is mostly due to the fact that I communicate with them regularly and I expect to have a conversation that extends beyond "Wat up? gud, hbu?!". I'm fully aware that the vast majority of internet verbiage and slang originated from having to send SMS texts that charged you on a per-character basis. The most common excuse that I get is that they were/are driving and don't have time to make sure that responses are articulate (though, you shouldn't be texting and driving to begin with).

It boils down to a per-person scenario. I can handle abbreviations, slang, and acronyms - just don't make them the full extent of your lexicon.
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Hey, if the grammar is good enough to get across the context and meaning of what you're trying to say I don't really care.
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HateKillingCamels wrote:

Hey, if the grammar is good enough to get across the context and meaning of what your trying to say I don't really care.


You spelled your wrong
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Potentsaliva wrote:


HateKillingCamels wrote:

Hey, if the grammar is good enough to get across the context and meaning of what your trying to say I don't really care.


You spelled your wrong


I had a witty comeback towards this comment, but i'm afraid the 2008-like webpage mechanics that CR possesses are a bit lackluster.
A meme of dankest proportions has been thinned out thanks to CR.
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Potentsaliva wrote:
Ha-chan you're the fucking greatest I love you.


sorry I fixed what you were trying to say, your welcome

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you're struggling with creativity and freedom. believing everyone should be talking the way they were told to by others is a major step towards war and also tends to be the first thing that enemies of war attempt to force others to do once they think they've won. school grammar lessons are the product of many wars that got to the point that individuals began fighting others by providing them with a language limited enough to be incompetent (yes, that is this language until you redefine everything yourself). an acceptance of what grammar should be (although in the very long run an enormous evolutionary leap to anyone that figures out what they did to themselves as an enormous sacrifice) is the total and complete repression of yourself.
dictionaries are war.
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Posted 7/13/17
I don't believe grammar is an accurate way to measure intelligence at all. But with that said, I think some basic grammar skills are necessary in order to get the point across.

Not that I think everyone should "talk the same" but maintaining certain sentence structures seem vital (or at the least, helpful) in allowing to express yourself as best you can...especially when dealing with text where things such as tone/emotion/etc are hard to decipher.

Not to mention it just makes things easier to comprehend. It's a bad time when you're constantly going, "What?" to each other because you have no clue what was just said.
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Posted 7/13/17
I usually leave corrections if it's a super obvious mistake, like when people mix up your and you're. Sometimes they just typed the wrong word by mistake and sometimes you can tell they don't know the difference. I don't expect people to have perfect grammar, so I'll still read the thread unless their grammar is so bad that I have trouble understanding what they're trying to say.
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In the OP I asked an either/or question but to be fair I suppose I should have suggested there is a scale.

My spoken English is different from how I write.
My texts, intended to convey maximum information with minimum key presses read like military communication. even stealing words like 'roger'
I spend a lot of time sweating the grammar and spelling of formal school papers and professional communications.
Depending on how seriously I'm arguing, my posts to forums are more casual.
Things tossed off on Facebook are most casual.

I also have my share of problems with typos and honest spelling errors. I'm bad with misusing homophones. I tend to insert random capital letters into my sentences as words are emboldened in my mind. I also drop random words as my mind races faster than my fingers.

All of these can be a problem. especially if I drop a word like not or write the acronym "UIC" as "you-eye-see". I did that once. But I think if you want to be taken seriously you have to make the effort. and at a minimum have to cross the threshold where you are understood.

still love the song in the OP. Weird Al is king.
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Posted 7/13/17 , edited 7/13/17
I'm not grammar perfect, but I do get annoyed by common grammar mistakes, like, "You and I". A lot of celebrities on instagram have been using this, instead of "You and me", and it gets on my nerves a bit. You don't sound more intelligent by using the former, in fact you just sound grammatically wrong.

But then you get song titles like, "The Way I Are", and it's really irritating. It's funny in I Am Weasel, but not so funny when you butcher the language in a song title.
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Posted 7/13/17
I don't know about you people, but I really only care about my grammatical errors and mistakes. I don't care about everyone else all that much just my own.

God, I miss English Class sometimes.
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Posted 7/13/17
lololol love the video, weird al is great. i actually didn't know the song he was parodying, so i listened to some of that too. haha. ofc weird al is better

meh i dont care, i'm not writing a paper, and if you dont wanna read something i wrote bc it has internet lingo, i don't really care so... you know. whatever. lol
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