Post Reply Is the anime boom still alive, or back in full force?
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Back during the 90's and 2000's, anime was not only popular, but also among the most inaccessible material imaginable. Only a couple of channels like Cartoon Network and Syfy were willing to air anime, and even then only a few of them here and there and during inaccessible time periods like midnight. VHS's and DVD's were also incredibly expensive and hard to find, as well as containing only a few episodes rather than all of them. And, the dubs we did get were usually butchered, maimed, and reduced to toy commercials, like the majority of anime from Saban, Nelvana, and 4Kids. It was because of this inaccessibility, that I was eventually turned off by anime altogether.

But now that we have streaming services like Crunchyroll, Funimation, Netflix, Hulu, Daisuki, and so on, I'm not only getting myself back into anime, but also binging on entire series and enjoying them for what they did. Most of the series I watched so far were usually mecha, even though I still delved into other genres before. Currently, I'm watching Kuromukuro, and maybe when I'm done with that series I may have to go back to Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040.

So I have to wonder. Is the anime boom still alive or back in full force, like some sort of renaissance?
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The fandom has definitely grown in the US, largely due to streaming making anime more accessible. Just look at the attendance of AnimeExpo from 2007 to 2017.
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Same here, I got back into anime two years ago and since then I've gone from 12 days watched to 75.

I'd recommend checking out ANN's Answerman column:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/archive


Business is booming in the anime industry right now. Streaming revenues from North America and China have more than offset declines in DVD/Blu-ray revenues. However, this rise in cashflow is not trickling down to the actual anime production companies, who have spent decades cutting their costs to the bone in order to stay competitive. Rather than pay more for production, the producers on the Production Committees are using the money to make more shows.

- from http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2017-05-26/.116584

"Why Isn't More Anime Shown On American TV?" http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2017-06-07/.117121

And an explanation of how Netflix is different because rather than mainly targeting serious anime fans, it promotes its select licensed anime to a much larger general audience: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2017-07-07/.118491
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The anime fandom is really growing but anime is not as popular in the US as it's in Japan. I still think we are in a renaissance though even though anime isn't shown on TV often in the country.
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If you think "the Anime Boom" was during the late-90's/early-00's when you could watch Cowboy Bebop on Toonami, that's also what caused what fans actually refer to, "the Anime Bubble":
The one that popped near the end of the 00's, taking ADV, Pioneer and Bandai with it, when companies licensed ANY currently-airing pig-in-a-poke series just on the basis of Japanese TV ratings, without establishing its US popularity...And without realizing that single-volume DVD's, that they depended on to pay for the dubs that they needed to establish that sweet broadcast-cable sale, were starting to become obsolete in the marketplace--with more and more fans smart enough to hold off and wait for the double-dip complete set--and mainstream retailers were loudly starting to mutiny about having to sell them.

What would have stopped the 00's Bubble from popping? Pretty much what we have NOW, thanks to the reformed once-pirate Crunchyroll:
Letting fans watch new-airing series online first for "free" without purchase commitment to sort out the hits from the flops, and then for companies to dub and sell only those series that have proven fan appeal, in complete season boxsets.

...Geez, why couldn't we have had it invented earlier, and saved all the mess?
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I've watched anime move through boom and bust cycles in the US. There was the drop off in the early 90's due to the massive recession in Japan and then the period the OP is referring to which was driven by a backlash among parent groups. As anime became more and more accessible in the US it started showing up in retail and rental stores. This was great for fans but since the vast majority of Americans had no idea what anime was all they saw when looking at the box was "cartoon". This resulted in parents, not paying attention to what VHS/DVD their kids showed them,buying titles for their young children that no child should be watching.

Though anime has percolated more into the mainstream conscience and we now have homegrown "adult" animated series like The Simpsons and Southpark which should make parents more informed I worry all it will take is some group of parents getting into a huff over something like DxD or "pick your ecchi/hentai series" to drive anime back down again.
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For a while I was starting to see what I thought would be the death of anime in the US. It was probably a 2007-08, which also coincides with the failure of at least two major anime companies (ADV, CPM), and then the recession came and buried everything in gloom and made what industry was left here seriously risk averse. Anime had a good run, I figured finally, it was over.
And then along came streaming, and cheaper cgi, and wide availability has brought it back far bigger than it was in the 90s. Not all VHS were that expensive back then, there were lots of online retailers before the days of Amazon- and the costs were comparable to what they are today. It's true that the quantity available was less- but that's mostly because Japan's output was far less. CPM in particular put out a shit ton of anime.
A current new series release to DVD without dub retails for $40-65. I disagree that the dubs were butchered or bad in the old days. And quite a lot of them were better. 4Kids was never a legal dub, those are fandubs.
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This is just me, but I still don't feel like we're at the point where we were in the 2000s which is a blessing and a curse.

A curse because companies aren't throwing licenses around all willy nilly and drowning us in anime and manga.

A blessing because companies aren't throwing licenses around all willy nilly and drowning us in anime and manga to companies like 4kids and shit.

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I'm creeping up on 53 and I remember griping to my gaming buddies one night about having cable and still not being able to find anything I wanted to watch. They said to try some anime and recommended Crunchyroll and Funimation. I'm still cussing them! I've been an anime junkie for the last year now. Well, I finally caught up, kinda, still find a diamond in the rough that I may have overlooked. Realized there are alot of things I really admire about the Japanese culture. Never watch anime on an empty stomach!!! Never do a search of the different type of anime genres! Japanese culture also has a really dark, perverse side to it too. Not judging,,just Whoa!

As far as alive and back in full force and my short stint into anime, they have put alot of new titles out since the fall of 2016. While its not all bad and I've enjoyed some of it, its lacking, somethings missing compared to the older anime.
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Dirtrider00 wrote:

I'm creeping up on 53 and I remember griping to my gaming buddies one night about having cable and still not being able to find anything I wanted to watch. They said to try some anime and recommended Crunchyroll and Funimation. I'm still cussing them! I've been an anime junkie for the last year now. Well, I finally caught up, kinda, still find a diamond in the rough that I may have overlooked. Realized there are alot of things I really admire about the Japanese culture. Never watch anime on an empty stomach!!! Never do a search of the different type of anime genres! Japanese culture also has a really dark, perverse side to it too. Not judging,,just Whoa!

As far as alive and back in full force and my short stint into anime, they have put alot of new titles out since the fall of 2016. While its not all bad and I've enjoyed some of it, its lacking, somethings missing compared to the older anime.


Wait, you're 53, and never watched the pre-otaku 80's/90's "Glory days" of anime?
(Back when it was still mainstream, and fanservice and gamer/NEET stereotypes were relatively unknown?)
That's getting into the theater a bit late.

I'm not going to ask what you were watching in the mid-90's, but fortunately, most of the Classics--Ranma 1/2, Slayers, Tenchi Universe, Sailor Moon, Lupin III v2, Card Captor Sakura--are still on Funi.com, CR and Hulu.
I may be from the same generation, but at least we had Urusei Yatsura, Dirty Pair and Macross/Robotech to cut our teeth on.
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I have a feeling more people are getting into anime than ever. There's been a lot of screenings in movie theaters, there's now one million CR subscribers, there were a bunch of anime references on Jeopardy! this year, which is one of the few 'mainstream' programs I watch.

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I worry all it will take is some group of parents getting into a huff over something like DxD or "pick your ecchi/hentai series" to drive anime back down again.

Same here. I really hope anime will not ever go 'mainstream' or 'normal' because that will put it on the radar of the 'usual suspects'.
Heck, a few years ago I had a sociology textbook with a short paragraph on anime, calling for more research on how it affects children.

Dirtrider00 wrote:

I'm creeping up on 53 and I remember griping to my gaming buddies one night about having cable and still not being able to find anything I wanted to watch. They said to try some anime and recommended Crunchyroll and Funimation. I'm still cussing them! I've been an anime junkie for the last year now. Well, I finally caught up, kinda, still find a diamond in the rough that I may have overlooked. Realized there are alot of things I really admire about the Japanese culture. Never watch anime on an empty stomach!!! Never do a search of the different type of anime genres! Japanese culture also has a really dark, perverse side to it too. Not judging,,just Whoa!

As far as alive and back in full force and my short stint into anime, they have put alot of new titles out since the fall of 2016. While its not all bad and I've enjoyed some of it, its lacking, somethings missing compared to the older anime.

Hey, welcome to the community. Thank you for proving you're never too old for cartoons
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Dirtrider00 wrote:

I'm creeping up on 53 and I remember griping to my gaming buddies one night about having cable and still not being able to find anything I wanted to watch. They said to try some anime and recommended Crunchyroll and Funimation. I'm still cussing them! I've been an anime junkie for the last year now. Well, I finally caught up, kinda, still find a diamond in the rough that I may have overlooked. Realized there are alot of things I really admire about the Japanese culture. Never watch anime on an empty stomach!!! Never do a search of the different type of anime genres! Japanese culture also has a really dark, perverse side to it too. Not judging,,just Whoa!

As far as alive and back in full force and my short stint into anime, they have put alot of new titles out since the fall of 2016. While its not all bad and I've enjoyed some of it, its lacking, somethings missing compared to the older anime.


Wait, you're 53, and never watched the pre-otaku 80's/90's "Glory days" of anime?
(Back when it was still mainstream, and fanservice and gamer/NEET stereotypes were relatively unknown?)
That's getting into the theater a bit late.

I'm not going to ask what you were watching in the mid-90's, but fortunately, most of the Classics--Ranma 1/2, Slayers, Tenchi Universe, Sailor Moon, Lupin III v2, Card Captor Sakura--are still on Funi.com, CR and Hulu.
I may be from the same generation, but at least we had Urusei Yatsura, Dirty Pair and Macross/Robotech to cut our teeth on.


Haha... Wouldn't of even known where to look. Most of my off time when I wasn't working my 9-11 hour a day job was spent mountain biking, then I got into the dirtbikes in my mid 30's, took that into my late 40's. Retired at 52. Been a bum for the last 7 months (video games and anime). Finally starting to do some pacing so I'll most likely get the mountain biking and some trail running going again this fall once we get into some cooler weather. Meantime I'm hoping the new anime will start drifting away from all of this slice of life, school days (not the actual School Days anime) genres.
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anime slowly started to grow in popularity in the late 90s-early 00s with huge franchises like dragonball, yu-gi-oh, pokemon, digimon, naruto, one piece being dubbed all over the world but on a whole anime has grown massively in popularity in the last few years because of more ways to watch it despite anime being not shown on tv much these days like it use to which is really sad because the market for anime to air on tv is still big but not as big as streaming and things but at least people who don't have the internet or not able to access on demand apps for anime would get the chance to watch it on tv

here in the uk anime is very rare to come across even in shops but more so on tv
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Thanks, no reason to let age keep you from doing the stuff you like! Once I get that 1st pot of coffee down in the morning I'm good to go!
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