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And there is an investigation going on. And your conclusion is that they're not investigating anything. Because that's what it would mean if there were 0 evidence. Mueller and his team are just sitting around twiddling their thumbs.


they investigate 'cause they don't know what's what but the conclusion to the investigation could be that there was nothing going on or that there's no real evidence of it. so it could be just more nothing burgers and conclusions jumped to.
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holyknightjoshua wrote:


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And there is an investigation going on. And your conclusion is that they're not investigating anything. Because that's what it would mean if there were 0 evidence. Mueller and his team are just sitting around twiddling their thumbs.


they investigate 'cause they don't know what's what but the conclusion to the investigation could be that there was nothing going on or that there's no real evidence of it. so it could be just more nothing burgers and conclusions jumped to.


I think what we do know already shows that the issue of Russian interference in the election is far more than "nothing"
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I think what we do know already shows that the issue of Russian interference in the election is far more than "nothing"


Honestly, its almost been kind of morbidly fascinating watching the usual bobbleheads somehow try and defend Trump Jr.

If video surfaced of Trump giving Putin head while Putin literally sat at the desk of the Oval Office, Gorka and Kellyanne would still be on TV dismissing it as nothing. It's just a sign of a great relationship with Russia. Trump was just being a master negotiator and hammering out a deal on Syria. <holds up placards like she's introducing a grade 2 Christmas play>.

I mean its almost surreal.
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runec wrote:


sundin13 wrote:
I think what we do know already shows that the issue of Russian interference in the election is far more than "nothing"


Honestly, its almost been kind of morbidly fascinating watching the usual bobbleheads somehow try and defend Trump Jr.

If video surfaced of Trump giving Putin head while Putin literally sat at the desk of the Oval Office, Gorka and Kellyanne would still be on TV dismissing it as nothing. It's just a sign of a great relationship with Russia. Trump was just being a master negotiator and hammering out a deal on Syria. <holds up placards like she's introducing a grade 2 Christmas play>.

I mean its almost surreal.


To be fair, an International Bop Agreement where world leaders met up and gave each other the beej would probably do wonders for world peace.
Posted 7/15/17 , edited 7/16/17

sundin13 wrote:


I think what we do know already shows that the issue of Russian interference in the election is far more than "nothing"


Pffft. Illegals voting in states with lax voter ID laws had more of an effect on the election that this manufactured outrage, and that's a fact.
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sundin13 wrote:
To be fair, an International Bop Agreement where world leaders met up and gave each other the beej would probably do wonders for world peace.


I can't deny that the BJ-20 would probably work out better for all involved.
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sundin13 wrote:


I think what we do know already shows that the issue of Russian interference in the election is far more than "nothing"


Pffft. Illegals voting in states with lax voter ID laws had more of an effect on the election that this manufactured outrage, and that's a fact.


Rather than a fact, it seems more like an unsubstantiated claim that Trump, a pathological liar, made and has provided no evidence of.

Russian interference in our election as well as Russia's attempts to hack our election systems are both strongly substantiated. There is concrete evidence to prove claims surrounding it, as well as a large number of on-the-record sources including Trump Jr. and Trump Sr. that have confirmed such claims.
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Amyas_Leigh wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


I think what we do know already shows that the issue of Russian interference in the election is far more than "nothing"


Pffft. Illegals voting in states with lax voter ID laws had more of an effect on the election that this manufactured outrage, and that's a fact.


No that is not a fact. That is pure speculation
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Wow - another of the shepple who believes there was actually massive voter fraud regardless of the evidence against it. Then , they state it is a "fact" because they believe it
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Probably thinks that Alex Jones is actually spouting something other than fantasy (got to love the martian camps)
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sundin13 wrote:
I think what we do know already shows that the issue of Russian interference in the election is far more than "nothing"


links and sources? i haven't seen any real evidence that it happened one way or another so i'm interested. what i have seen was just a lot of hearsay and conclusion jumping.

i've been watching a lot of different youtube videos and the what seems to be happening more on the left than on the right is blowing up hearsay and tiny things that don't specifically mean anything into "this is for sure evidense" but i've also seen it happening on the right as well especially with the recent trump jr thing. some of it has been so bad that it's almost like those "Illuminati confirmed" comments people still feel like leaving now and then.

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Seriously? You have "... been watching a lot of different youtube videos ..." and THAT is what you regard as facts? adiuva nos Deus

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links and sources? i haven't seen any real evidence that it happened one way or another so i'm interested. what i have seen was just a lot of hearsay and conclusion jumping.


https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

I trust the FBI, CIA and NSA are sufficient enough sources for you.




holyknightjoshua wrote:
i've been watching a lot of different youtube videos


Well, there's your problem.
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No that is not a fact. That is pure speculation


According to 'intelligence agency leaders' investigating not a single vote was changed by 'Russian hackers'.
Illegals have already gone to prison for getting caught voting.

So like I said, its a fact that illegals had more of an effect on the election than the leet russian haxxors.
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holyknightjoshua wrote:


sundin13 wrote:
I think what we do know already shows that the issue of Russian interference in the election is far more than "nothing"


links and sources? i haven't seen any real evidence that it happened one way or another so i'm interested. what i have seen was just a lot of hearsay and conclusion jumping.

i've been watching a lot of different youtube videos and the what seems to be happening more on the left than on the right is blowing up hearsay and tiny things that don't specifically mean anything into "this is for sure evidense" but i've also seen it happening on the right as well especially with the recent trump jr thing. some of it has been so bad that it's almost like those "Illuminati confirmed" comments people still feel like leaving now and then.



NSA leak: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/nsa-leak-russian-hackers-attacked-voting-system-170606075453624.html
Flynn: https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/02/flynn-resigns-timeline/516594/
DNC Hack:https://www.cnet.com/news/how-experts-decided-russia-hacked-dnc-election/
Trump Jr: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/15/politics/russia-donald-trump-jr-meeting/index.html
Kushner's Clearance Forms: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341844-kushner-updated-disclosure-to-add-more-than-100-foreign-contacts
Russia's Attempts to Influence Trump's Aids: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/us/politics/russia-trump-manafort-flynn.html?mtrref=en.wikipedia.org&gwh=64FBE2F31B49829EE224EC681F069C9B&gwt=pay


President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.


https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
There's more, but the gist of it is that Russia directly managed information flow to influence the election, Russia attempted to hack into our voting systems, Russia is attempting to reduce faith in our democracy, Russia plans to manipulate Trump, several people close to Trump have close Russian ties and several people close to Trump have withheld information relating to their interactions with Russians.
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