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so because i don't buy into what you are saying you call me entitled?

you know who else does that?

baby boomers.

And it's been bullshit every time it's been said.


That's some sound reasoning. I see your point.


Tell me more about how entitled I am wanting a society in which it is financially possible for everyone to be able to have a home and raise a family


You mean the society you already live in? Assuming you live in the U.S.

I don't know your history but there is a lot of opportunities out there for the average person. You just have to be hungry and go after them. Just like back then. No one owes you or is going to give you a damn thing.


How am I supposed to take you seriously when you are literally arguing with your own red herring that I'm expecting a handout? You are ridiculous and aren't even reading the topic.

We are talking about how good the economy used to be for the average person compared to what it is now. We are talking about how an entire generation of people is foregoing owning homes and having families because the financial security doesn't exist to make those not risky.

Then you show up and post "oh oh you can still own a home though you are so entitled!!"

No shit, sherlock. We fucking know that. You can go away now.



Who the fuck is we? Did you fuse with someone?
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some1 mad

motorcycles are dangerous
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Destroying implies they have some responsibility to not destroy it as well as an intentional action. I do not think Millenials are destroying it, it is just a dying trend.
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Allow me to point out to the anti-capitalism crowd that the American economy isn't true capitalism as the government steals tons of money to put into loser companies that should have gone out of business long ago. That being said Harley has no one to blame but themselves, they, like many others have over priced themselves out of younger markets. No one seems to get the idea any more that younger people usually don't have as much money as older people. Those same "Baby Boomer" company managers are then shocked that those without money are not spending as much as those that do.

But then again it seems that a certain generation has no problem dropping 3 grand a year on PokeCoins rather than a mode of transportation, so maybe it's just a matter of different priorities.


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I wasn't actually sure if I'm a millennial so I looked it up; turns out I am and this is the first article I saw.

http://www.thedrive.com/opinion/12489/analysts-are-wrong-about-why-millenials-arent-buying-harleys

I kind of agree with some of the points, harleys just aren't cool to me. I never really was into cruisers, though I do appreciate the HD sportsters like the 883 but I could never see myself owning one. Hell the Indian that they mention in the article I linked looks cool. If I wanted something cool and a bit retro I'd go for a cafe racer build though, but I started out on sportbikes and I could not see myself riding something else. I want to add a track prepped 600 to the family so my ducati 899 has a brother but I haven't even been riding that as much as I'd like.

I didn't know that millennials weren't riding as much either, I see young people out in huge crowds riding. Plus there are always a few of those hipster guys riding a harley with their gold glittler open faced helmets and flannel shirts. I just assumed the hipsters were keeping harley in business.

On a side note, I think one of their biggest mistakes was getting rid of Buell but I guess they weren't selling either.
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Shishiosa wrote:

Allow me to point out to the anti-capitalism crowd that the American economy isn't true capitalism as the government steals tons of money to put into loser companies that should have gone out of business long ago. That being said Harley has no one to blame but themselves, they, like many others have over priced themselves out of younger markets. No one seems to get the idea any more that younger people usually don't have as much money as older people. Those same "Baby Boomer" company managers are then shocked that those without money are not spending as much as those that do.

But then again it seems that a certain generation has no problem dropping 3 grand a year on PokeCoins rather than a mode of transportation, so maybe it's just a matter of different priorities.
The motorcycle market is really different post recession, there is definitely more variety of motorcycles now. H-D is trying, but their entry level bikes, mainly their Street lineup which they released in 2015, are just under powered and too expensive compared to Japan's motorcycles (the Sportster lineup is actually decently priced compared to competitors). The weird thing is that H-D sold more bikes but made less money, so people are buying them just not at the numbers they expected. The main problem is that H-D's bread 'n' butter is their bagger / touring bikes which aren't doing well (granted this isn't liminted to just H-D), and H-D is hoping that the people buying the entry level bikes will upgrade to their more bigger/expensive bikes. Time will tell though, but its hard telling since the smaller/cheap bikes are popular now.

They did buy MV Agusta during the recession (and quickly sold them once they realized people don't want expensive Italian motorcycles), I doubt it would have helped their current situation (eventhough MV Agusta isn't doing too bad due to the popularity of naked sportbikes).

The funny thing is the Ducati and Triumph are doing pretty well in the overpriced entry level market; with those two right behind Indian (granted not at the same exponential growth that Indian is experiencing) in terms of sales increase.
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The only thing killing Harley Davidson is Harley Davidson.

I could go to other manufacturers and get better build, performance, function and style. Not talking out of my ass cause I did. I test rode the Japanese manufacturers, and Italian, and American.

I bought a british bike. Had the best build, performance and customer satisfaction as well as an awesome ride.

Don't blame me because HD expects me to pay more for less.
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^Triumph makes some phenomenal bikes. The Street Triple R is on the top of list of bikes I want, while it doesn't give you that punch of power like the FZ-09 its feels more refined and better quality but its also more expensive. I'd probably just buy it for the color display lol

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On a side note, I think one of their biggest mistakes was getting rid of Buell but I guess they weren't selling either.
It's hard telling but the Street 500/750 is kind of the spiritual sucessor to the Buell Blast; but like I said above, Japan does it better for cheaper.

edit: Buell did come back from the dead for a little bit and built some 1000+ cc sport touring looking bike, but quickly went bankrupt
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Okay you can blame plenty of shit on this generation.

But it really makes a lot of nerve to blame a generation for "destroying a brand" simply because they are not purchasing it.

IF the brand is dying then it's the brand owners responsibility to give people a reason to buy it.
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Okay you can blame plenty of shit on this generation.

But it really makes a lot of nerve to blame a generation for "destroying a brand" simply because they are not purchasing it.

IF the brand is dying then it's the brand owners responsibility to give people a reason to buy it.


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Millennials are still destroying things?

I thought it was Generation Z! there the one after Millennials there the new group to hate it seems.

Like Baby boomers, Gen X, or whatever the media want to blame the world problems on.
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If I was going to get transportation, I'd get a car. More room to store things.

Motorcycles are presented as a luxury in America instead of a cheaper alternative compared to my home country.
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If I was going to get transportation, I'd get a car. More room to store things.

Motorcycles are presented as a luxury in America instead of a cheaper alternative compared to my home country.
Motorcycles can't really beat cars/trucks in terms of capacity even if you have a trailer or sidecar. But my car is my side vehicle, although I wish I had a truck instead of the car.

Which is kind of changing in the US motorcycle market, small is big now. The problem of course is that the top half of the US experiences winter, and people don't like riding in the cold so its harder to have a motorcycle as an only vehicle.
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Oh, well that isn't very nice of us Millenials. I guess I'll get around to buying a Harley to make them feel better after I'm done paying off TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF STUDENT LOANS.
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Oh, well that isn't very nice of us Millenials. I guess I'll get around to buying a Harley to make them feel better after I'm done paying off TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF STUDENT LOANS.


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