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Posted 7/16/17 , edited 7/16/17

MossRantz wrote:


MysticGon wrote:


MossRantz wrote:


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so because i don't buy into what you are saying you call me entitled?

you know who else does that?

baby boomers.

And it's been bullshit every time it's been said.


That's some sound reasoning. I see your point.


Tell me more about how entitled I am wanting a society in which it is financially possible for everyone to be able to have a home and raise a family


You mean the society you already live in? Assuming you live in the U.S.

I don't know your history but there is a lot of opportunities out there for the average person. You just have to be hungry and go after them. Just like back then. No one owes you or is going to give you a damn thing.


How am I supposed to take you seriously when you are literally arguing with your own red herring that I'm expecting a handout? You are ridiculous and aren't even reading the topic.

We are talking about how good the economy used to be for the average person compared to what it is now. We are talking about how an entire generation of people is foregoing owning homes and having families because the financial security doesn't exist to make those not risky.

Then you show up and post "oh oh you can still own a home though you are so entitled!!"

No shit, sherlock. We fucking know that. You can go away now.



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Posted 7/17/17

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These articles are so stupid. Millennials are destroying marriage, homes, cars, etc, etc

I'm going to write Baby Boomers are Destroying Things articles. Here's my list

- The Economy
- America
- The World
- Millennials
- Themselves

Maybe if baby boomers didn't fuck everything up with their selfish bullshit, we could buy vehicles recreationally.


Your anger is misplaced. It is simply illogical to blame the vast majority of them, who merely tried making their way in the world with the cards given to them.

Who wrecked the economy? The central banks

Who wrecked america? Follow the money...or should I say follow the valueless paper trail that eventually has some tie to actual real money at some distant point in the past.

Who wrecked the world? How many countries have a roffschild owned central bank? Or easier to say, how many didnt....who's still on the list...Iran...North Korea....recent departures...Libya (why was setting up a central bank there one of the first things that was done after khaddafi was murdered?)

Millenials...well who controls education...who pushed the ideas that everyone and their mother should have a college degree regardless of its real world value....dig dig, follow the money trail...


Maybe if the dollar was still linked to gold and not a consumable commodity (yes, oil is what backs the dollar these days) and people actually went to jail all the way up the chain when its discovered that a multitude of banks conspired to fix the gold & silver prices on a daily basis...



Its all the central banks, where this flows from. They own the world in title and deed, "taking over the world" in this manner is the new way, it is the same money that goes all the way back to the Roman days when the mess was used to have certain families loot like crazy, before there were ever even barbarians at the gate.

The barbarians are inside the gate, and in positions of power, unfortunately.

And this is why you are now required to go into house levels of debt just to have an "education."
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H D are mid life crisis bikes old white guys buy when their hair falls out and the divorce is finalised.

No wonder millennials are not buying them.


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Blaming Millennials sounds like great marketing...
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Firstly, I prefer cars over motorcycles

Secondly, I prefer to have a well balanced and well handling machine and not something that you just use to cruise around on.

I get the enjoyment of driving/riding something just to cruise, but if i'm going to get something as impractical as a motorcycle i'd rather have something like a heavily tuned car that i could use on a track or something. H D are nice for some, but i get more of a smile from being on the limit in something that corners well.
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qwueri wrote:

Blaming Millennials sounds like great marketing...


Going for that masochist market. "You are scum, buy this now!"
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The largest problem for harley , Is their whole brand is built around the idea of nostalgia. Harleys from 2017 look nearly identical to those from 1967.
And from a technical standpoint they're nearly as obsolete. Slow, inefficient. With terrible aerodynamics, and poor handling. The only reason they're popular, is for those born in the 50's and 60's they were a big part of pop culture, prominently featured in films of the 70s. But to my generation, the're ugly chrome dinosaurs, outpaced by faster european and japanese models.
If they want a younger fanbase they need to evolve. They would be wise to offer a lighter cheaper cafe racer style sport bike with more aggressive, modern styling. It's not impossible, just look at the ford mustang, an equally old, iconic brand that has through it's many versions kept pace with the times, appealing to young adults, while still maintaining its heritage.
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Posted 7/17/17 , edited 7/19/17
this ^^^

HD fan base is slowly dieing off. HD motorcycle just scream biker gang or wannabe old guy.
they need to more into a sport bikes, or entry level motorcycles.
and yeah, the design is really old.
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The largest problem for harley , Is their whole brand is built around the idea of nostalgia. Harleys from 2017 look nearly identical to those from 1967.
And from a technical standpoint they're nearly as obsolete. Slow, inefficient. With terrible aerodynamics, and poor handling. The only reason they're popular, is for those born in the 50's and 60's they were a big part of pop culture, prominently featured in films of the 70s. But to my generation, the're ugly chrome dinosaurs, outpaced by faster european and japanese models.
If they want a younger fanbase they need to evolve. They would be wise to offer a lighter cheaper cafe racer style sport bike with more aggressive, modern styling. It's not impossible, just look at the ford mustang, an equally old, iconic brand that has through it's many versions kept pace with the times, appealing to young adults, while still maintaining its heritage.
As a metric rider, I guess I'll defend H-D on some of your points (although I do agree with you on some of them).
obsolete - HD is on par with Japanese cruisers in terms of build and parts but you're paying HD extra to slap their name on the tank. HD does make bikes with good performance but like I said before $$$.
aerodynamics - honestly anything that isn't a full fairing bike won't be very aerodynamic
handling - depends on the model, because bike geometry / tires / handle bars can change how a bike handles. Take these two Sportster variants for example, the Seventy-Two is a cluster [email protected] of things that equal bad handling and you'll see alot of reviews talking about the death wobble at highway speeds; but the Roadster on the other hand you can actually use the word "flickable" since its pretty good for a cruiser/cafe racer.

HD does make the Street Rod which is a cruiser / cafe racer blend, but its $500-1000 too much. It's competing with FZ-07, Z650, and SV650 (which produce around 65 hp) but its priced the same as the FZ-09, Z900, and GSX-S 750 (and those produce around 100 hp).

I think cafe racers tend to appeal more towards intermediate riders since nobody really makes a "under $10k" cafe racer (expect for Royal Enfield, but those are just awful bikes). Most 18 year olds tend to gravitate more towards things that look cool and fast (but are cheap), ie 250/300 class sportbikes. And I doubt HD will ever make sportbikes because they are too worried about their image.
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Posted 7/19/17

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MossRantz wrote:

These articles are so stupid. Millennials are destroying marriage, homes, cars, etc, etc

I'm going to write Baby Boomers are Destroying Things articles. Here's my list

- The Economy
- America
- The World
- Millennials
- Themselves

Maybe if baby boomers didn't fuck everything up with their selfish bullshit, we could buy vehicles recreationally.


Your anger is misplaced. It is simply illogical to blame the vast majority of them, who merely tried making their way in the world with the cards given to them.

Who wrecked the economy? The central banks

Who wrecked america? Follow the money...or should I say follow the valueless paper trail that eventually has some tie to actual real money at some distant point in the past.

Who wrecked the world? How many countries have a roffschild owned central bank? Or easier to say, how many didnt....who's still on the list...Iran...North Korea....recent departures...Libya (why was setting up a central bank there one of the first things that was done after khaddafi was murdered?)

Millenials...well who controls education...who pushed the ideas that everyone and their mother should have a college degree regardless of its real world value....dig dig, follow the money trail...


Maybe if the dollar was still linked to gold and not a consumable commodity (yes, oil is what backs the dollar these days) and people actually went to jail all the way up the chain when its discovered that a multitude of banks conspired to fix the gold & silver prices on a daily basis...



Its all the central banks, where this flows from. They own the world in title and deed, "taking over the world" in this manner is the new way, it is the same money that goes all the way back to the Roman days when the mess was used to have certain families loot like crazy, before there were ever even barbarians at the gate.

The barbarians are inside the gate, and in positions of power, unfortunately.

And this is why you are now required to go into house levels of debt just to have an "education."


Let us be fair, banks aren't a self aware entity or something. They're run by people.
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I would rather have a car then a motorcycle .
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So Harley Davidson isn't selling bikes and that is my fault for not buying one? But it is America's iconic motorcycle brand!!!! Boohoo. What a joke.
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Millennials are broke, we won't be buying much for a while too much debt, whether it be expensive cars, motorcycles, houses whatever.
Our spending habits are different and at the end of the day you can blame the lackluster economy, too many low paying jobs, too much debt needed to get out of one of them.
Sure we could be good mindless consumers and charge everything to the good old credit card, but especially after living through the Great Recession it seems like a really stupid thing to do now.

Unlike some of the other millennials, I've paid off my debt but not really buying much at the moment. Getting ready for the next housing crash in the few years when the boomers try to downsize and simultaneously dump their $700,000 McMansions on the market and find out that nobody is going to be there buying them. I'm sitting back stashing my money away and waiting for the next crash before I start making major purchases like that, buy low sell high only common sense.
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I'm gen X and I feel sorry for u millenials if you have to go through even a portion of the bullshit I had to go through.

See my photo? That's a Honda Rebel that gets 70 mpg. I rode that thing for 3 years straight through ice, snow, sleet, rain, thunderstorms...and worse...on the highways in DFW. Why? Because me, having a Bachelor's Education Degree in Music, couldn't find a stable job that paid even DECENTLY for me to afford to buy a $3/gallon gas guzling car. I had 12 different jobs over the course of THREE YEARS. Why? Because the school systems are so fucked up they condition you, NOT TEACH you guys but rather to live like government cattle or worse (such as military meat shield or inmate) all for you guys who pass the 'test' to have toys and nice 50k+ jobs. Yeah, I'm talking about friends of mine too...who benefit from our fucked up system that cares only about the consumer culture. THANK YOU 911! THANK YOU BUSH'S/CLINTONS/ALL THE SAME PEOPLE WHO PLAY THE DUMB.

Its not just the Baby Boomers who fucked things up. It was the so-called self-proclaimed "Greatest Generation" who did. They were so stupid they voted for the 2-party system who put us in ALL these wars while allowing the federal reserve and Television to control their lives. That banned dude is right. But they don't teach you this stuff in your history class...you need to look for it up yourself and stop drinking the America is the greatest country in the world land of the free bullshit.

Proof: When legislation about sexual preference & identity is at the forefront of your nation's concerns, your nation has descended into madness. When a Tycoon has become president...lies to you to your face...shows that he is completely incompetent and has no regard for the citizens, and all you do type on blogs about it...your nation has descended into complacency.
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Oh btw, Harleys suck. They are decent bikes but really they are overpriced and are just toys for biker gangs and men with too much money. They are too big and shake like a washing machine on spin cycle. THey are pretty much all about their brand for hedonists. But they look cool!
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