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Posted 9/6/17 , edited 9/6/17
I'm not really a social person and the less words the better, they don't correct me and in all honesty what's the big deal of just calling them by their skin color, black, Asian, white, Indian, Native... and no I have yet to speak to a native who finds Indian offensive, bonus note, we drank from the same water fountain that other colors did. in another generation we won't know skin color or we'll make our own. we'll know words on a screen and images more than actual appearance.
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Posted 9/6/17 , edited 9/6/17
maybe we should stop focusing so much on race and instead call people by their name.
that's just me though.
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Posted 9/6/17 , edited 9/6/17
Interesting comment about not claiming to be "European Americans" but there seem to be a lot of people who like to claim to be "Irish American" or "Scottish American." To an outsider it seems like some labels have become fashionable while others haven't.
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Posted 9/7/17 , edited 9/7/17
I just want to call people people. I try not to dwell too much on our differences because that causes so much division among humans which is not good for all of us, but we should all celebrate our differences though but we should all celebrate our similarities as well. We are all human beings.
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Posted 9/7/17 , edited 9/7/17
This is one of those things where no one should give a fk. Calling someone an african american is not racist...it's a very plain observation. If white people had less in common between people of different european countries I'm sure there would be labels like Irish-American. HOWEVER, it's not as easy to tell and on top of that most white americans don't actually have any idea what country their people originated from anymore. So at best white americans can guess. Black americans know that somewhere in their blood they probably originated from africa.

Now if you wanted to label white americans European americans I guess you could do that. It'd be pretty stupid though because europeans founded america and it's a given that the majority of americans are of european descent and no one is actually truly american except for native americans who actually probably came from China long long ago.

Another thing to consider is that while african americans did play a role in founding america they weren't the "founders". So I don't think they'd immediately inherit the same ummm...title(?) as white americans. I'm sure in the future that will change over time but you can't change peoples views overnight. In fact if you think about it, it's possible that a few hundred years in the future a large majority of americans might have african in their blood.
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Posted 9/9/17 , edited 9/9/17
I'm pretty sure the black community don't mind being called black overall. Just treat others the way you want to be treated and we're even.
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Posted 9/10/17 , edited 9/10/17

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I'm not really a social person and the less words the better, they don't correct me and in all honesty what's the big deal of just calling them by their skin color, black, Asian, white, Indian, Native... and no I have yet to speak to a native who finds Indian offensive, bonus note, we drank from the same water fountain that other colors did. in another generation we won't know skin color or we'll make our own. we'll know words on a screen and images more than actual appearance.


If you're going to use skin colour then you'd be using black, cream, beige, white, copper, olive, brown etc. Asia is a continent, India, a country and native can mean anything.
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Posted 9/10/17 , edited 9/10/17
I prefer the term African-American for myself. Black is a race. African-American is an ethnicity. Everyone else gets to say "i'm part german and french... Louis the great was my great great great great aunts uncles cousin so i'm royalty if there is an impossibly long line of deaths in the family". I don't get that benefit being the descendant of slaves. I don't know what specific countries my ancestors are from and some of those tribes or nations probably dont even exist anymore. Cultures that are probably long dead or changed beyond recognition. I like African-American because it means that i'm a descendant of Africans who built the foundation of America.

It doesn't apply to black Africans who move over to the United States post 1950's america. They were not here and did not participate in the building of the country or the civil rights movements of this country. There is an all encompassing term for black people called black. And i'm that too but like many people are white and irish-american i'm black and african american. A person born in Nigeria who moves here and is a citizen is Nigerian American. If you can identify a home country that is what you are. For people like me who cannot we are African-American. It refers to a very specific group of people with significant african DNA that also typically have other DNA such as european and american indian. If you try to say a white person who was born in African is African-American you should really reconsider how thoughtless such a thing is. That person is a descendant most likely of dutch or british colonist.

African-American is really more about ethnic background than race. I don't think you can really be half african-american. You can certainly be half black but part of being African American is definitely the blend of races that our dna tends to be made up of. I think it's really a thing where you are or aren't. And if anyone has the wrong idea there is certainly nothing wrong with being european descent and from Africa. Or African descent from Africa living in the US or another country outside of Africa.

I think the most important thing about realizing we are not the same as black people from Africa in more recent years is that we face different challenges and have different culture. We are not the same culture as Nigerian Americans or other people from African countries in the US. We have had a very different socialization process. We were raised hearing different things from our parents and having a different perspective on the world. The knowledge or lack of knowledge passed down is different between us. The ethics and moral guidelines are different passed down. It's a very closed minded thing to say we should just all be AMERICAN first or all just be HUMAN. We all know we are humans and those of us that are American are Americans. But if we try to solve everyone's issues the exact same way when in reality they are so different you will massively fail to improve people's lives. You have to identify the difference. Our own unique problems are in our unique history. I really do prefer African-American because i think it shows the respect of acknowledging my ethnicity rather than thinking all black people or all americans even are the same. If comes a time where everyone is on an equal footing then we can do away with labeling but until then we really should recognize different groups of people.
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Posted 9/10/17 , edited 9/10/17
come on man... labels are not what keeps inequality going... peoples firm belief that other people are inferior to them is what does that. There was a time where there wasn't labels....and people still treated each other bad for being different. They made the labels just to help identify what it was that made the others different. It's not even a chick or the egg scenario. The hate exists without labels. The only way we will ever identify people's individual problems is first to do it by person... and second to do it by groups. If you don't acknowledge a group's history you can't help them. Because a generic fix all won't work for every group with their specific problems that are a result of their history.
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Posted 9/10/17 , edited 9/10/17

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To be honest, I've always felt more comfortable being called African-American as oppose to being called Black because it just sounds better.
But this is pertaining to what I rather call myself not what other people call me.

In all honesty, things like this shouldn't really matter because at the end of the day we're all human.


I also think it depends on your generation, in grand dads day it was negro. My dad says he's black, and I considered myself black through the 70's. It's all the same, just society changing the connotations.
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Jesse Jackson pretty much single handedly shoved that term down America's throat. and **** Jesse Jackson.
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African-American, black doesn't bother me. The way I look at it the majority of people that live in America that are recognized as citizens are white at the moment. That's changing but currently that's the reality. Pretty much has been since the founding. Almost every other group had to "earn" it's place in the eyes of the government. It's the sad ugly truth. So how America views race comes with a lot of baggage. Doesn't help that people play politics with that history.


I second this. To me it doesn't matter but being called just "american" at this point would feel kinda weird, I won't lie. Also Mystic Gon is VERY right. The only people that are recognized as fully American are the Europeans who forcibly and violently stole this land from the native americans. Heck native american most likely had a name for "america" before all these europeans came along and claimed it as theirs.
...Need I say any more??? (Yes same more!)

And just as a side note. I think it must be terrible having to live in a place that was once all yours, taken from you, and now you have to live uunder the rules on the "the new land" that people stole from you. Basically almost all minorities have it hard. America was built on the backs of slaves and many other minorites but im getting off topic so ill stop now. Cause this is what happens in life when I talk too much. I go off on tangents so...Back to the main question...

African-American, Black, Brown, it doesn't matter
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I prefer the term African-American for myself. Black is a race. African-American is an ethnicity. Everyone else gets to say "i'm part german and french...


And I second this...said a lot things more eloquently than I ever could. I usually don't think it matters whether people call me black or AA but what you say does make sense
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Jesse Jackson pretty much single handedly shoved that term down America's throat. and **** Jesse Jackson.


Wow, do you know anything at all about Jesse Jackson ...or are you one of those idiots who see traitors as heroes, and then try to change history so people don't see them as anything but cowards and idiots. Points to the leaders of the Rebel Army ...traitors every last one of them.
Wanted to completely destroy America, but we keep their statues up ...and what exactly is Jesse Jackson's crimes?

Coming up with a better terms for Blacks (Americans)

African American ...is no worst than being Native American or anything else.

It's just a term used to identify a group of people.

It's much better than being called boy or girl or the N**** word.

Also considering that Black in Spanish could be confused for the N***** word I consider it a happy alternative.

Though I will still enjoy the day when we drop all terms and simply call all people Americans, especially if they are more than 3rd generation. Points to the UnAmerican President who is only 2nd maybe 1st generation himself. Grandpa was German. I can't remember, but wasn't his father born there?
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VMichial wrote:

Jesse Jackson pretty much single handedly shoved that term down America's throat. and **** Jesse Jackson.


Wow, do you know anything at all about Jesse Jackson ...or are you one of those idiots who see traitors as heroes, and then try to change history so people don't see them as anything but cowards and idiots. Points to the leaders of the Rebel Army ...traitors every last one of them.
Wanted to completely destroy America, but we keep their statues up ...and what exactly is Jesse Jackson's crimes?

Coming up with a better terms for Blacks (Americans)

African American ...is no worst than being Native American or anything else.

It's just a term used to identify a group of people.

It's much better than being called boy or girl or the N**** word.

Also considering that Black in Spanish could be confused for the N***** word I consider it a happy alternative.

Though I will still enjoy the day when we drop all terms and simply call all people Americans, especially if they are more than 3rd generation. Points to the UnAmerican President who is only 2nd maybe 1st generation himself. Grandpa was German. I can't remember, but wasn't his father born there?


Well you were able to extract an incredible amount from my few words....

-"Wow, do you know anything at all about Jesse Jackson ..."
Yes I know a bit about jesse Jackson

-"or are you one of those idiots who see traitors as heroes, and then try to change history so people don't see them as anything but cowards and idiots..."
Without concrete examples this broad question isn't really something worth responding to. Be more concise and less accusatory and I could answer

- "Points to the leaders of the Rebel Army ...traitors every last one of them."
What rebel armies, Acronyms and names please, then I'll give my view on them individually

-"Wanted to completely destroy America, but we keep their statues up ..."
What groups would get this particular pair of observations?

-"and what exactly is Jesse Jackson's crimes?"
Now that is the first straightforward question you asked. No Muss no fuss. I'll answer it after the previous things are clarified to ensure we cut through as much bias as possible.

-"Coming up with a better terms for Blacks (Americans) "
I don't personally think African American is 'better' than Negro or Black even a little. All it does is try to peg the dark skin to African ancestry by verbal fiat.

-"It's just a term used to identify a group of people."
That is it's intended purpose, the second one to change the terms used in public discourse, mostly the political public discourse.

-"It's much better than being called boy or girl or the N**** word."
depending on context yes. However the word African American being brought into existence doesn't reduce the number of times being called the N-word will happen. Anyone who was going to call you or me the N-word will still do so, regardless of what politically correct terms get created.

-"Also considering that Black in Spanish could be confused for the N***** word I consider it a happy alternative."
one small moment of awkwardness as someone explains that negro means black in Spanish is a minuscule price to pay for reaching an understanding and dropping offense.

-"Though I will still enjoy the day when we drop all terms and simply call all people Americans, especially if they are more than 3rd generation."
Identity politics absolutely requires that the labels continue. If they disappear, social redistribution and social justice programs fail on their face. I too would like this to happen but identity politics has a very zealous base.

I don't care to talk about Trump at all...
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