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Jesse Jackson pretty much single handedly shoved that term down America's throat. and **** Jesse Jackson.


Wow, do you know anything at all about Jesse Jackson ...or are you one of those idiots who see traitors as heroes, and then try to change history so people don't see them as anything but cowards and idiots. Points to the leaders of the Rebel Army ...traitors every last one of them.
Wanted to completely destroy America, but we keep their statues up ...and what exactly is Jesse Jackson's crimes?

Coming up with a better terms for Blacks (Americans)

African American ...is no worst than being Native American or anything else.

It's just a term used to identify a group of people.

It's much better than being called boy or girl or the N**** word.

Also considering that Black in Spanish could be confused for the N***** word I consider it a happy alternative.

Though I will still enjoy the day when we drop all terms and simply call all people Americans, especially if they are more than 3rd generation. Points to the UnAmerican President who is only 2nd maybe 1st generation himself. Grandpa was German. I can't remember, but wasn't his father born there?


Well you were able to extract an incredible amount from my few words....

-"Wow, do you know anything at all about Jesse Jackson ..."
Yes I know a bit about jesse Jackson

-"or are you one of those idiots who see traitors as heroes, and then try to change history so people don't see them as anything but cowards and idiots..."
Without concrete examples this broad question isn't really something worth responding to. Be more concise and less accusatory and I could answer

- "Points to the leaders of the Rebel Army ...traitors every last one of them."
What rebel armies, Acronyms and names please, then I'll give my view on them individually

-"Wanted to completely destroy America, but we keep their statues up ..."
What groups would get this particular pair of observations?

-"and what exactly is Jesse Jackson's crimes?"
Now that is the first straightforward question you asked. No Muss no fuss. I'll answer it after the previous things are clarified to ensure we cut through as much bias as possible.

-"Coming up with a better terms for Blacks (Americans) "
I don't personally think African American is 'better' than Negro or Black even a little. All it does is try to peg the dark skin to African ancestry by verbal fiat.

-"It's just a term used to identify a group of people."
That is it's intended purpose, the second one to change the terms used in public discourse, mostly the political public discourse.

-"It's much better than being called boy or girl or the N**** word."
depending on context yes. However the word African American being brought into existence doesn't reduce the number of times being called the N-word will happen. Anyone who was going to call you or me the N-word will still do so, regardless of what politically correct terms get created.

-"Also considering that Black in Spanish could be confused for the N***** word I consider it a happy alternative."
one small moment of awkwardness as someone explains that negro means black in Spanish is a minuscule price to pay for reaching an understanding and dropping offense.

-"Though I will still enjoy the day when we drop all terms and simply call all people Americans, especially if they are more than 3rd generation."
Identity politics absolutely requires that the labels continue. If they disappear, social redistribution and social justice programs fail on their face. I too would like this to happen but identity politics has a very zealous base.

I don't care to talk about Trump at all...


Wow, you are really lacking here.
I can't actually have a conversation with someone who seems to know so little.
I actually feel a little bad for picking on you.
You have no clue.

Okay let me try to clear up a little of this.
Confederate statues are what I am talking about.
Rebel army is a nickname for them.
Tried to tear the United States apart by seceding from the union.
Would have destroyed the country.

Sighs.
African American was a name we coined for ourselves.
We went though plenty, because it's not what people call you ..it what you answer to that matters.
Besides, every other group gave honor to their place of origins.
Except those too stupid to remember where they come from, then they try to pretend they are real Americans.
But History says, not so.
So in reality, they are just homeless.

As for the Spanish issue.
I actually explained it...and we found our solution to it.
Besides, you are a bit short sighted on your answer.
LANGUAGE BARRIER, who exactly is suppose to explain it...to either party?
NO, don't answer that, issued solved. Moving on.

We agree on the drop the identification by race thing.
You are the one who brought Trump into this.
Never used his name, not once.
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I don't know.
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Silentveil wrote:


VMichial wrote:


Silentveil wrote:


VMichial wrote:

Jesse Jackson pretty much single handedly shoved that term down America's throat. and **** Jesse Jackson.


Wow, do you know anything at all about Jesse Jackson ...or are you one of those idiots who see traitors as heroes, and then try to change history so people don't see them as anything but cowards and idiots. Points to the leaders of the Rebel Army ...traitors every last one of them.
Wanted to completely destroy America, but we keep their statues up ...and what exactly is Jesse Jackson's crimes?

Coming up with a better terms for Blacks (Americans)

African American ...is no worst than being Native American or anything else.

It's just a term used to identify a group of people.

It's much better than being called boy or girl or the N**** word.

Also considering that Black in Spanish could be confused for the N***** word I consider it a happy alternative.

Though I will still enjoy the day when we drop all terms and simply call all people Americans, especially if they are more than 3rd generation. Points to the UnAmerican President who is only 2nd maybe 1st generation himself. Grandpa was German. I can't remember, but wasn't his father born there?


Well you were able to extract an incredible amount from my few words....

-"Wow, do you know anything at all about Jesse Jackson ..."
Yes I know a bit about jesse Jackson

-"or are you one of those idiots who see traitors as heroes, and then try to change history so people don't see them as anything but cowards and idiots..."
Without concrete examples this broad question isn't really something worth responding to. Be more concise and less accusatory and I could answer

- "Points to the leaders of the Rebel Army ...traitors every last one of them."
What rebel armies, Acronyms and names please, then I'll give my view on them individually

-"Wanted to completely destroy America, but we keep their statues up ..."
What groups would get this particular pair of observations?

-"and what exactly is Jesse Jackson's crimes?"
Now that is the first straightforward question you asked. No Muss no fuss. I'll answer it after the previous things are clarified to ensure we cut through as much bias as possible.

-"Coming up with a better terms for Blacks (Americans) "
I don't personally think African American is 'better' than Negro or Black even a little. All it does is try to peg the dark skin to African ancestry by verbal fiat.

-"It's just a term used to identify a group of people."
That is it's intended purpose, the second one to change the terms used in public discourse, mostly the political public discourse.

-"It's much better than being called boy or girl or the N**** word."
depending on context yes. However the word African American being brought into existence doesn't reduce the number of times being called the N-word will happen. Anyone who was going to call you or me the N-word will still do so, regardless of what politically correct terms get created.

-"Also considering that Black in Spanish could be confused for the N***** word I consider it a happy alternative."
one small moment of awkwardness as someone explains that negro means black in Spanish is a minuscule price to pay for reaching an understanding and dropping offense.

-"Though I will still enjoy the day when we drop all terms and simply call all people Americans, especially if they are more than 3rd generation."
Identity politics absolutely requires that the labels continue. If they disappear, social redistribution and social justice programs fail on their face. I too would like this to happen but identity politics has a very zealous base.

I don't care to talk about Trump at all...


Wow, you are really lacking here.
I can't actually have a conversation with someone who seems to know so little.
I actually feel a little bad for picking on you.
You have no clue.

Okay let me try to clear up a little of this.
Confederate statues are what I am talking about.
Rebel army is a nickname for them.
Tried to tear the United States apart by seceding from the union.
Would have destroyed the country.

Sighs.
African American was a name we coined for ourselves.
We went though plenty, because it's not what people call you ..it what you answer to that matters.
Besides, every other group gave honor to their place of origins.
Except those too stupid to remember where they come from, then they try to pretend they are real Americans.
But History says, not so.
So in reality, they are just homeless.

As for the Spanish issue.
I actually explained it...and we found our solution to it.
Besides, you are a bit short sighted on your answer.
LANGUAGE BARRIER, who exactly is suppose to explain it...to either party?
NO, don't answer that, issued solved. Moving on.

We agree on the drop the identification by race thing.
You are the one who brought Trump into this.
Never used his name, not once.


My brain derped and read statues as 'statuses' so I got confused [maybe blame dyslexia... maybe]. So my context was ruined as Statues was the key to piecing it together. I apologize for that waste of your time.
Self individual identification based on a historical country of origin I guess many people find important. In the end any contention we had really is different strokes for different folks. I find it to be quite mundane to trace these kind of lineages unless some cultural practice still creates a difference in outcomes that needs exploring as the economy evolves over time. My main contention with the wider pan-african/african roots movement in general is that it doesn't actually help anyone accomplish anything. Especially since the skin color can mislead people into incorrectly picking their heritage which may be far more white than they appear. I'm very dark but it's not useful to me to drive more toward an African heritage. Heck in my mind a white person born in Africa coming to America is more African American than I'd ever be.

I thought you mentioned trump when you said "Points to the UnAmerican President" to which I had no desire to speak about. Again if I am wrong my apologies for the time waste.

yeesh got a lot from a jesse jackson quip.
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I would gladly refer to any individual in any way they wanted to be addressed. As I would hope they would pay the same courtesy to me.

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In my case Carribean American would be accurate seeing as I have no traceable roots back in Africa.
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That won't happen if you're sure of what you're saying and the things you say are backed by facts. Black people came up with that term for ourselves. And before it we were colored or negros. We picked a term that identified with a history that we had in this country. We are the Africans that were enslaved in America. America was built off of our labor. You should read my original comment. It's only a page back or so.
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You're considered afro-carribean by ethnicity I think. Even if you're American since you wouldn't share the same history as African americans. But I mean it is part of the Americas. And the carribeans had a similar start.
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