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With NYC, DC, Hollywood and Silicon Valley being fertile ground for liberal ideology you would think money would not be hard to come by. But maybe the halls of power are put off by the recent losses and lack of unity beyond "resist".

Those hubs have influence beyond anything Trump and co. could ever hope to achieve but it may be like what you seem to be hinting at. Their is a competition for the soul of the Democratic Party. I don't expect The Green Party's numbers to see a huge jump. But if Bernie decided to make his own party he would have half of the Democratic Party and half the independents right from the jump.


Before we continue, what do you mean by "liberal ideology"?



More specifically American liberalism.

Higher taxes, bigger government, federal programs, secularism, globalism, amnesty, regulation, gun control, abortion, loathing conservatives.

Emphasis on the last one.
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MysticGon wrote:


BlueOni wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

With NYC, DC, Hollywood and Silicon Valley being fertile ground for liberal ideology you would think money would not be hard to come by. But maybe the halls of power are put off by the recent losses and lack of unity beyond "resist".

Those hubs have influence beyond anything Trump and co. could ever hope to achieve but it may be like what you seem to be hinting at. Their is a competition for the soul of the Democratic Party. I don't expect The Green Party's numbers to see a huge jump. But if Bernie decided to make his own party he would have half of the Democratic Party and half the independents right from the jump.


Before we continue, what do you mean by "liberal ideology"?



More specifically American liberalism.

Higher taxes, bigger government, federal programs, secularism, globalism, amnesty, regulation, gun control, abortion, loathing conservatives.

Emphasis on the last one.


Aw, she put a lot of effort into that comment. You should have at least gave your thoughts on it on the whole thing, if not a directly a reply.
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Magical-Soul wrote:


MysticGon wrote:


BlueOni wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

With NYC, DC, Hollywood and Silicon Valley being fertile ground for liberal ideology you would think money would not be hard to come by. But maybe the halls of power are put off by the recent losses and lack of unity beyond "resist".

Those hubs have influence beyond anything Trump and co. could ever hope to achieve but it may be like what you seem to be hinting at. Their is a competition for the soul of the Democratic Party. I don't expect The Green Party's numbers to see a huge jump. But if Bernie decided to make his own party he would have half of the Democratic Party and half the independents right from the jump.


Before we continue, what do you mean by "liberal ideology"?



More specifically American liberalism.

Higher taxes, bigger government, federal programs, secularism, globalism, amnesty, regulation, gun control, abortion, loathing conservatives.

Emphasis on the last one.


Aw, she put a lot of effort into that comment. You should have at least gave your thoughts on it on the whole thing, if not a directly a reply.


That essay wasn't in response to my post.
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MysticGon wrote:


Magical-Soul wrote:


MysticGon wrote:


BlueOni wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

With NYC, DC, Hollywood and Silicon Valley being fertile ground for liberal ideology you would think money would not be hard to come by. But maybe the halls of power are put off by the recent losses and lack of unity beyond "resist".

Those hubs have influence beyond anything Trump and co. could ever hope to achieve but it may be like what you seem to be hinting at. Their is a competition for the soul of the Democratic Party. I don't expect The Green Party's numbers to see a huge jump. But if Bernie decided to make his own party he would have half of the Democratic Party and half the independents right from the jump.


Before we continue, what do you mean by "liberal ideology"?



More specifically American liberalism.

Higher taxes, bigger government, federal programs, secularism, globalism, amnesty, regulation, gun control, abortion, loathing conservatives.

Emphasis on the last one.


Aw, she put a lot of effort into that comment. You should have at least gave your thoughts on it on the whole thing, if not a directly a reply.


That essay wasn't in response to my post.


I didn't say it was. I just wanted you to acknowledge it because in my opinion, it was well written.
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Posted 7/21/17

Magical-Soul wrote:


MysticGon wrote:


Magical-Soul wrote:


MysticGon wrote:


BlueOni wrote:


MysticGon wrote:

With NYC, DC, Hollywood and Silicon Valley being fertile ground for liberal ideology you would think money would not be hard to come by. But maybe the halls of power are put off by the recent losses and lack of unity beyond "resist".

Those hubs have influence beyond anything Trump and co. could ever hope to achieve but it may be like what you seem to be hinting at. Their is a competition for the soul of the Democratic Party. I don't expect The Green Party's numbers to see a huge jump. But if Bernie decided to make his own party he would have half of the Democratic Party and half the independents right from the jump.


Before we continue, what do you mean by "liberal ideology"?



More specifically American liberalism.

Higher taxes, bigger government, federal programs, secularism, globalism, amnesty, regulation, gun control, abortion, loathing conservatives.

Emphasis on the last one.


Aw, she put a lot of effort into that comment. You should have at least gave your thoughts on it on the whole thing, if not a directly a reply.


That essay wasn't in response to my post.


I didn't say it was. I just wanted you to acknowledge it because in my opinion, it was well written.


True, that's a BlueOni trademark though.
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MysticGon wrote:

More specifically American liberalism.

Higher taxes, bigger government, federal programs, secularism, globalism, amnesty, regulation, gun control, abortion, loathing conservatives.

Emphasis on the last one.


Alright. I had to ask because there's a lot of argument over what "liberalism" actually means even if you just narrow it down to the US for context. "Liberalism" would mean three quite different things depending on whether you asked Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders, or Paul Ryan what it is.


With NYC, DC, Hollywood and Silicon Valley being fertile ground for liberal ideology you would think money would not be hard to come by. But maybe the halls of power are put off by the recent losses and lack of unity beyond "resist".

Those hubs have influence beyond anything Trump and co. could ever hope to achieve but it may be like what you seem to be hinting at. Their is a competition for the soul of the Democratic Party. I don't expect The Green Party's numbers to see a huge jump. But if Bernie decided to make his own party he would have half of the Democratic Party and half the independents right from the jump.


The Democratic Party's powers-that-be seem to think that they just have a marketing problem. That those stupid, ignorant base voters who are driven primarily by emotion just don't know or understand that the Democratic Party is their best friend and best hope. The problems you're pointing out are, in their minds, temporary and will go away on their own once people realise how horrible Trump and the Republicans are. That's why they haven't gotten unity: there's nothing to unite around, and that's shockingly by design. They don't want to change, they don't want to actually accomplish the goals they pretend to support, and they're hoping if they stall long enough and the GOP screws up badly enough they won't have to.

This outlook is reflected in their marketing:



That, as you might expect, didn't exactly get a warm reception once it was rolled out to the public. The Democratic base is not, as it turns out, a bunch of emotionally-driven cattle to be corralled by proper marketing. It's very passionate and policy-focused, so the only way to secure unity and an abundance of small individual donations is for the party establishment to stop stupidly disrespecting their own base, present a bold policy vision that motivates people, and fight for it relentlessly.

I want to keep believing that the Democratic elites will eventually understand that their mealymouthed, halfhearted, vague platitudes aren't enough, and that they have to change. The marketing for a renewed Democratic Party that seriously wants to salvage itself might look like this instead:



But honestly, I'm starting to lose faith in them. A breakaway faction forming a new party may be necessary after all. The top dogs at the Democrats seem content to, as Sanders said, go down with the ship as long as they get to have first class seats.
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That's what should have happened to the Republicans in 2008. Instead there was a grassroots movement that led to the Tea Party and 6 years of the establishment hating on them, even after the "Autopsy" and up until Trump came along. Neither party's old guard wants to give up power. It just seems the Democrats were actually willing to sabotage the up-and-comers to stay in control. That said, when it comes to actual elections. It's not up to leadership.

That's why I think 2018 might actually surprise both parties. There are Republicans pissed that the president can't get on with his agenda because of uncooperative senators. In places without primaries that will split the vote. But you also have a president who looks closely at these smaller races and is one hell of a cheerleader. Republican turnout was up last year so you might end up with another Eric Cantor situation when it's all said and done.

Nancy Pelosi had turned squashing dissent into a science and enough Democrats rode the presidential election turnouts to victories in the senate to prevent a total steamroll. They'll keep holding up these "almost won!"s as victories so won't see any reason to change. The sympathetic press and rallies tell them they are on the right track. No one would have though 8 years ago they'd be in such a state. The voters might not be driven by blind emotion but leadership is. So there has be a democratic grassroots effort. A real one, not a manufactured one promoted and exploited by current leadership.
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this is like the "Pasta for pennies" drive back in high school.

My science teacher's class will not put anything in their donation box until the last 30 minutes!! .
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