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http://nypost.com/2017/07/01/why-the-next-generation-after-millennials-will-vote-republican/

I will use highlights from this article, as there are lots, but this one is clean and easy to follow along. I'll correct some things along the way.


"Gen Z actually like and trust their parents, who have been transparent with them, much more than any generation before,” said Jeff Brauer, a political science professor at Keystone College in suburban Scranton, Pa., who has produced one of the first comprehensive studies on the next generation.

Analyzing research from Wright State University in Ohio on 1,200 Generation Z students at 15 colleges and universities across the country, Brauer also used exit polling from CNN and census data to draw his conclusions.


At first, it seems to be unclear how one would verify how much a generation trusts their parents or not, but these are college kids being surveyed, not stay at home little tykes.


Generation Z is diverse. They are only 55 percent white and will be the last majority-white generation in America. And they have the most positive outlook toward the nation’s growing diversity of any previous generation.


This part is especially interesting. Millennials have a trend of leaning largely to the left, more so than any previous generation. The modern liberals are largely made up of millennials, it's quite interesting to see that while Gen Z is more conservative/classical libertarian than millennials and less left leaning, they are actually more in favor of diversity than modern liberals.

They are also more religious:


Generation Z is also more religious than preceding generations — attending organized weekly church services at about twice the rate of millennials, Generation Xers and baby boomers.


And a large majority of them voted for Trump and will likely go for him again:


The Republican Party, if it plays its cards right, could make lasting inroads with this generation, even at an early age — something the GOP has struggled with for decades.

Had he been able to vote last November, Bloomstine definitely would have picked Donald Trump for president.

“I was not old enough to vote for him, but I was very engaged and informed all throughout the election,” Bloomstine said. “I liked most his independence from the political parties and his willingness to challenge them when he felt they were not serving the American people.

If Trump runs in four years, would Bloomstine vote for him? “As long as he continues to be himself, absolutely.”


This was the first election generation z could vote, and they likely tipped the scales in favor of Trump.



Last year was the first presidential election in which Generation Z voted, according to Brauer, “yet there was virtually no attention paid to this demographic.”

In fact, in almost every case, its members were simply lumped in with their significantly different counterparts, the millennials, in the 18-to-29 age group.

“This was disingenuous and unfortunate and didn’t give the true picture of the election,” said Brauer. “Looking at the data, there was virtually no attempt to separate these two very different generations of voters.”

Brauer explains that, from 2012 to 2016, Democratic candidates lost 5 percent of the youth vote nationally (down from 60 percent to 55 percent). In Florida, Democrats’ margin of victory among the young dropped 16 percentage points. In both Ohio and Pennsylvania, the drop was 19 points. In Wisconsin, 20 points.

It is unlikely that such significant drops were simply due to the more liberal millennial generation changing their minds from one election to the next,” said Brauer.

“It is much more likely the precipitous drops were due to the more conservative Generation Z being able, for the first time, to express their political inclinations, especially in the economically hard-hit swing states.”



Generation Z, to our current knowledge is both conservative and more right leaning than millennials, but is also a bigger advocate for diversity. They aren't establishment republicans, as they are characterized by growing up in a technologically advanced society, and they know pretty much everything that hits reddit, youtube and facebook.

Depending on which scale you follow, you could either be a Gen Z or a late Gen X. Late Gen X and Gen Z are virtually indistinguishable so it may not even matter. The article puts Gen Z as starting in 1996, but it makes more sense to have them start in 1994 or mid 1995 so they'd be in their early twenties at the oldest about now.

What do you think will get changed in the switch from gen x to gen z? How do you think mainstream media will change as the younger generation gets less and less left leaning?

Some predictions of my own. I think Feminism, Black Lives Matter and other social justice movements will likely weaken over time, as they've been under constant fire from the new generation.

Hopefully we can avoid a super hard swing to right to counteract the hard left millennials made in the early 2000s.

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so...im not a millennial?
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Apparently maybe, I guess. Probably.
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(Yes, folks, she may sound on her meds today, but just wait till she skips a day and finds the keyboard... )


What do you think will get changed in the switch from gen x to gen z? How do you think mainstream media will change as the younger generation gets less and less left leaning?


Every time I hear old white guys tell us How the New Millennial Generation Thinks, all I hear are the ones hired by studios to tell us "Millennials never buy Blu-ray disks, they're more interested in digital because they're rejecting their parents' generation of personal possessions!"

In other words, utter desperate crap trying to cluelessly wrap themselves in trends to sound More Important.
Apparently it's start to find its way into politics, too.


Some predictions of my own. I think Feminism, Black Lives Matter and other social justice movements will likely weaken over time, as they've been under constant fire from the new generation.


Like the '68 convention riots handed Nixon's "silent majority" one of the greatest landsllides in history after a nation fed-up with anti-Vietnam protests, it could be argued that Feminism and BLM's follies handed Trump the White House on a silver platter with two scoops of ice cream.
Even today, the Trump supporters aren't as interested in the beautiful Wall or threatening Mexicans as much as they used to be, so much as believing their "victory" over the Democrats' "defeat" now gives them the opportunity to taunt and troll "whiny SJW liberals" all they want, for the crime of being annoying, unreasonable and attention-struck all these years.

That's not a compliment to Trump or "Generation Z", that's just pointing out the dumb, dumb, dumb things we do when we want to show off how Disgruntled we are, and what sharpened surgical scalpels we use to cut noses off to spite our face.

(Generation Z? Oh, they were the ones posting the same stupid South Park graphics over and over, showing off about how they were going to stay home and not vote for either candidate, because the mean Democrats had taken poor old Bernie away and only given them stupid Hillary to vote for, so there...)
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Did you....read the topic?
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Generations are bullsh*t the press eat it up cause it's easy content. Get an arbitrary range of birth years, gather some superficial stats (which will be the average case at best), and make ridiculous statements; it's a click-bait gold mine. They should just call it what it is, stereotyping.
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Cue joke about the statistician who drowned in a river that was only three feet deep, on average.
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Everybody is so obsessed with generation letters to the point where it's like their fetish.
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Welcome gen z
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Apparently maybe, I guess. Probably.


Most likely
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I think it'll be hard to guess until the group can be better defined. I think of Millenials as the group that grew up alongside video games after the hippie generation settled down. Whatever this Z Gen is, I think they can be lumped in to those who never had poor internet access? They're jsut not that solid of a group.

As to their values, Diversity is...valuable I guess? I recall when Plato has Socrates pry the answers out of his brothers on searchign for a 'Just' man and his value. He lists off professions and then asks how a Just man in each profession would differ. An example, if one would a shoemaker, how would a just man be better a crafter of shoes than an unjust man? Surely since it is their trade they must produce shoes well. Likewise, how is a Diverse shoemaker different than a nondiverse shoemaker? It is a marketing term for college and corporate recruiters that actually has no indication as to the quality of the issue. Oh, and vote chasers. Politicians love the word.

What I REALLY find interesting is the increase in religion. After so many decades of Poststructural shattering of Institutions, people seem to be swaying over to mind some unifying story line in their lives. While the Arts benefit from ultimate subjectivity (we have some of our best anime this way!) it turns out to not be the best way to live. While I think literal readings of religious texts is a fool's errand, there are some decent life lessons across them all.

From your prediction I would hope that to be the case that we have fewer people with their Identity Politics as their defining trait. Or at least a positive interpretation of their identities instead of trying to recreate struggles between people. Can't I be a proud 3rd gen Italian without also raining on everyone else's parade? As to the Super Right swing, if the reasonable elements of the Right could be heard without be blocked out of the media, they wouldn't feel the need to become extreme. I see this persisting for some time.

My predictions, the first generation that was raised on the 'everybody is a winner' generation will manage to teach the Z's the value of struggle and asymmetry and restore Enlightenment values, pushing Poststructuralism back to stay with the arts and out of Education and interpersonal relationships. Really I hope to see the family come back as a net positive.
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What the hell? These comments weren't edited, but Crunchyroll insists that they are. lol

Well, either a mod is screwing with the topic or it's a glitch. I don't think redokami edited her post and I don't remember touching the OP.

EDIT: Confirmed bug.
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I gave the article a closer look. I think it is describing traditionalism and lumping it with the conservative political movement, which is suspect given that neither one necessarily implies the other.

For example, most of the traits described in the article could be applied to me, and I am a progressively minded moderate. (Although I don't attend church. I'm Buddhist, believe in reincarnation, and attend services at a Zen center instead.) If you agree, as I do, with Corey Robin's account in The Reactionary Mind--that conservatism is a counter-revolutionary practice that, like the revolutionary politics of the left, is a movement borne of modernity, then you would be more likely to sense the dissonance between traditionalism and reaction.

As another example, Rod Dreher writes for a paleoconservative magazine, but has made the same distinction about his own beliefs: traditionalist, not conservative.

There's a nice article in National Review about how conservatism itself has an innate tension between its core commitments to classical liberalism and reaction. It's a nice read. You'll note that neither of the two described commitments is necessarily linked to traditionalism either.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447324/conservatism-intellectual-divide-classical-liberals-reactionaries-political-right
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What the hell? It some comments weren't edited, but Crunchyroll insists that they are. lol

Well, either a mod is screwing with the topic or it's a glitch. I don't think redokami edited her post and I don't remember touching the OP.


It is probably one of the innumerable glitches endemic to this overworked forum software.
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My hope is that they continue to engage in the political process, and vote in all elections, not just the presidential election. I also hope that many stay independent, so that they vote for the person, not the party. Being an independent voter has allowed me to make what I thought was the best decision for elected officials at the time. Lastly, that they will lead with confidence and compassion, and will elect officials that will do what's best for the people they represent.
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