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Posted 7/22/17

lorreen wrote:

Okay, seems like I'm an outlier here. I love the way it looks! I might even keep watching just for that.

Plus, I'm interested in the story and characters too. I'll have to wait and see about it, but there was enough there for me to think this could keep my interest.


I don't know if I'd say love, but I'm with you with the sentiment. I knew people would be prejudice against the comic book aesthetic and would be quick to judge anything they're not used to seeing as bad, but I'm actually quite surprised at the extent of the negative response (outside of CR). I've seen bad first episodes, and there was not one thing I saw that made me even consider dropping this. It wasn't amazing, but it at least earned a couple more episodes from me.
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This reminds me of a series of shorts Marvel did a number of years ago that were like graphic novels but with voice acting and extra frames tossed in to give some sense of movement. Didn't much care for the style then can't say I like it now. Unfortunately i find it sufficiently distracting to turn me off the series. Plus the plot reminds me of a sci-fi series I read in college (wish I could remember the name) that took place some years after a "cosmic event" which caused some humans to manifest genetic mutations, some of which granted powers.
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Posted 7/22/17

Bakaneer wrote:
Funimation will be streaming the dub of this, but the question is if they are going to dub it themselves or if it is going to be handled by POW themselves (which means they use a studio in LA instead of going to Dallas). In any case, Funimation will be streaming the dub.

Nice! I'll try to check that out.

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The art style is more of western 90's retro minimalism (think Dexter). But it went up a notch on the artistic attempt. The uneven thickness of the lines, the blocky colors, even the minimal dialogue all made me check MAL right away to see if Genndy Tartakovsky was part of the staff. (Wouldn't surprise me if he was involved somehow.) I'm with Lorreen – this is one I can appreciate.
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Posted 7/23/17
a lot of people seem to be ragging on the artstyle saying that its beyond minimalistic and such.
i do not think that that is a useful point to criticize The Reflection on.every good movie and series will eventually have outdated graphics that future generations will have a hard time watching. i think that the minimalism forces the viewer to focus on the events transpiring rather than on how flashy they are.

honestly i dont have a cohesive argument on why i'm right and they are wrong so i'll just say this;

i loved it. i thoroughly enjoyed every minute (after the first 2-3) and want to see more
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Posted 7/23/17
To be fair, In a visual medium like anime, any point on the art style or animation should be valid. Positive or negative, it's something the show can offer that an actual graphic novel can't.

Clearly a lot of people have a great affection for the feel and style of this show, which is great. As mentioned, diversity in anime is good for all of us. Personally though there was not enough else going on here, beyond it's bold stylistic choice, to make me think I will be invested. It needed a strong episode one to declare it's viability as a complete anime rather than just an artistic experiment, which I don't feel it delivered.

I will give it the token three though, and would love to be proven wrong. There is a real potential there in the concept, perhaps that's why I was disappointed.
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Posted 7/23/17
Meh. Underwhelming. Too flat, looks like minimal effort was used in making this. Too little dialogue.
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Posted 7/23/17
Graphic novel format, vague narrative, tedious watch.
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Posted 7/23/17
lmao the reporters power is like an excuse to only use 2 frames while animating an action. I had to pause when she started using her power because I just thought it was the worst animation ever.
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Posted 7/23/17 , edited 7/23/17

cylordcenturion wrote:
a lot of people seem to be ragging on the artstyle saying that its beyond minimalistic and such.
i do not think that that is a useful point to criticize The Reflection on.


I disagree with your conclusion and here's my reason. Movies and TV shows, like comic books and graphic novels, are visual media. Their visual style is just as important as the story being told. So if the visual style is such the viewer finds it distracting or flatly unwatchable then that alone is a valid reason to dislike it. Just as from the other direction if the story was quite poor regardless of how amazing the visual style may be disliking it for its poor story would also be a valid choice. That is part of the challenge of creating visual storytelling. Viewers must enjoy both elements, the story and the visual style, to enjoy the work overall.

As to once popular older productions falling out of favour because their visual style hasn't aged well I don't have an issue with that. For example, Labyrinth is still fairly popular and for the most part has aged well because it didn't rely heavily on green screen effects. Except for the scene with the dancing fireys which is just cringe inducing to watch now and I personally wish could either be deleted from the movie or somehow remastered to not distract so badly from an otherwise great movie. Had the entire movie relied on the same effects used for that scene I doubt even I would be able to say I liked re-watching it even if I'd still look back on it with fondness.
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Posted 7/23/17
In regards to the story, I'm going to take a guess that those four Japanese school girls are the villainous masterminds, with maybe one of them working to stop the others. The villains seem to be on a similar stage as the heroes in Tiger&Bunny this time around, but who's the audience that they're trying to appeal to if that's the case? At first I thought they were trying to get social media attention, but maybe they have viewers from the other world maybe? I'm wondering if the style is intentional because it'll be revealed that these characters live in a comic reflection of the other world, the real world?

Anyway, action and music are slow, but it introduces a lot for the viewer to be curious about.
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Posted 7/23/17
Animation style looks like Trigger studio on acid definitely different hope the story has legs?
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Posted 7/23/17 , edited 7/23/17
this is the hand shakers of this season for sure. It looks like everyone is running through jello and the animation style is just lazy.

"We don't like drawing faces so we will give everyone masks unless they are far away then they have no face at all!!! INNOVATIVE!"

The target audience for this anime are people who make gifs and memes.... Or people who don't mind waiting 1 minute for a scene that should take 10 secs.
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Posted 7/23/17
The appearance is amazing, but the story is awful, the way they portray it is awful, and the animation is awful. Couldn't make it 5 minutes in.
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Posted 7/23/17
The art style itself is the strongest thing the first episode has going for it. The animation relies too heavily on still frames with zero emotional impact, leaving most of the show to feel overly slow. That pacing bleeds into the battles, which fail to emphasize any weight behind attacks, in part because of how often everything just takes random moments to pause. And the sound track felt disjointed with the action sequences.

If this was revealed to be an amateur project I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. The story setup is trite, but I don't completely hate it. Probably the biggest knock against the show is that previous American animated works like X-men or Static Shock carry a similar premise, and are easily better produced and more accessible. This show has just enough style to hint that maybe it could go somewhere, but I'm on the fence as to whether I want to invest the energy in watching it.
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