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Post Reply What does it take to be a good debater?
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I am sure we all come across plenty of threads on the internet where people are supposed to share their opinions and discuss them because it is a fun thing to do, but the few people who spend most of the time posting in the thread turn the discussion into a conversation where each party simply accuses the other of being wrong without offering proper arguments to back up that stance.

Now, why do you think people are usually incapable of defending their viewpoints logically? Is it because doing so is not as natural and easy as we would like to think? Does a person have to learn how to engage in a debate in order to avoid embarrassing themselves?
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A decent argument, willingness to listen to opposing view, a cool head.
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To become a master at it, a master-bator if you will.
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A very good Mass Debater.
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logic and fact's
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DaColdHeartedSniper wrote:

To become a master at it, a master-bator if you will.


>. ahaha
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Debating isn't a measurable skill. If you watch a sport like a race or a tennis match, the level of skill displayed is not subject to interpretation.

Debates, however, aren't so clear cut and dry. You could watch a debate think clearly one person had a better point than the other, but the answers you'd receive from asking people who was the "better" debater would be mixed. Something that would never happen if it was just a straight ping pong match, where the winner or more skilled person wouldn't have to be interpreted.

The only way to be a bad debater is if you have a tendency to lie, use logical fallacies or change your point every time you're proven wrong. So essentially, you have to be a bad communicator in general to be a bad debater.

If you have a "favorite debater", it's probably not because this person has demonstrated consistent logic and a firm understanding of the subject matter, it's more than likely you just agree what they have to say, and if you're a debater, trust me. No one likes a kiss ass.

Don't do it.
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People don't like it when you try to change their mind, so debating has little of the intended effect anyway a lot of the time. Even if you prove someone's view is bullshit they are more likely to get butthurt and focus on having a hurt butt than actually changing their point of view. They already didn't agree with you, now their ego is shamed and they see you as an evil butthurter. Fat chance they will come around to your way of thinking.

On top of that, people don't know how to structure an argument all to often and they aren't interested in discovering a truth so much as they are aiming to win. Essentially, a lot of argument and debate, especially on the internet, is not in service to an obvjective truth so much as it is in service to people'e petty ego bullshit.

To answer the OP question, what does it take to be a good debtor? Patience and an eye for detail to name two things that seem to be paramount. Some understanding of logic is also good.
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A good debater knows how to promote a compelling argument for their opposition, even if they believe it's complete bs.
That way they can easily rip apart the other's points one by one.
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An over-inflated view of self and a bottle of mountain dew.
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This is prime example of how you lose debates:

In this video, you have Hasan Piker that uses so many strawman arguments, which make his positions weaker. And then Charlie Kirk easily wins this debate by actually articulating his argument.

https://youtu.be/S3cBG2cyoQg2cyoQg
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debating is silly

we should just throw food at each other

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Sogno- wrote:

debating is silly

we should just throw food at each other



Actually that is the more accurate representation of what goes on here.
Posted 7/30/17 , edited 7/31/17

DaColdHeartedSniper wrote:

To become a master at it, a master-bator if you will.


I'm a great masterbater but not very good at masterdebating
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The most skilled debaters I've seen play to the passions, not the intellect, of a crowd. They use common sense and plausibility to make barbarous opinions seem respectable. In doing so, they display the ability to chop logic and use innuendo to imply what if said outright would simply be fallacious. All in all, debates are over-rated.

If your goal is to understand an issue, better than listening to debates is listening instead to conversation between two knowledgeable people engaged in dialectic.
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