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I started thinking about this, because I keep seeing a lot of shows I like - idol shows in particular - labeled as "guilty pleasures". I... don't like the concept. If I like something, but I feel guilty for liking it... I think about why it makes me feel guilty, decide which is more important to me, and either stop liking it or stop feeling guilty.

. . . . . . I think most of the reason why people feel "guilty" about liking things is that they think their friends won't approve, or they think that someone, somewhere, will judge them, or think they're stupid, for liking it.

I think that if the show takes too much pleasure in violence, there's a reason to feel guilty for enjoying it, because it's not nice to enjoy seeing someone in pain, no matter what they "did" (i.e. what horrific deeds of theirs the author wrote in for the purpose of "justifying" the main characters' violence towards them).
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But anyway, guilty pleasures. I think it's silly to feel guilty for watching "cute boys/girls doing cute things" shows. I think the world would be a better place if more people enjoyed fluffy, positive things more openly. (I also don't think there's any reason to feel guilty for enjoying sexual content, but that's another issue).


So...

- Do you have any "guilty pleasures"?
- What are they, and why do you feel guilty about it?
- When you see someone else enjoying your "guilty" pleasure without guilt, what do you think of that?
- How do you feel when you see someone else calling something you like a "guilty pleasure"?
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Well, I disagree with most of what you said, but I'll just focus on your questions.

I have described, say, Love Live (wow an Idol show), as a guilty pleasure in the past.
Rather than "guilty," though, it's more "embarrassing" to admit you like something like that.
I do agree with you when you say that people shouldn't really feel guilty about what they want to watch, so I respect people able to do that. When someone calls something I like a guilty pleasure, I honestly couldn't care less.
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SirBacon24 wrote:
I have described, say, Love Live (wow an Idol show), as a guilty pleasure in the past.
Rather than "guilty," though, it's more "embarrassing" to admit you like something like that.


This is sort of what I meant... I don't understand being "embarrassed" about it. I think that it comes from when someone sees something as incompatible with their "identity", or with the sort of person they think their friends would want them to be. On the other hand, I'm probably too willing to be the one that, when I hear someone saying things about something I like, or using it as a punch line, to be like, "Hey. I like Valvrave. Don't just compare every bad show to my favorite." But I feel like, if I just come forward and say, "I like this thing," then maybe someone else who likes it, who's afraid to admit it, will feel better about themselves, and the more this is done, the more acceptable it will be, and the more support the thing I like will have.

And I want things I like to have support. ... yeah, it's not an issue with Love Live (except μ's > Aqours) but with other things, it can be.

(* Valvrave isn't my favorite, it's like... maybe 7th favorite?)
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I'm basically in the same boat as the OP. If I like something, I like it and I'm not going to be shy about it (same as if I don't like something). Feeling guilty about something you enjoy just seems silly to me. Maybe I'm just too old to care about someone judging me for my tastes.

That said, my personal take on the "guilty pleasure" is more a case of not always being able to describe why I like something. While I don't ever find myself feeling guilty or wanting to hide my likes, I do sometimes find myself at a loss for why I'm enjoying something outside of a simple "I like it."

I can't say I have any particular reaction at all to someone calling something I like a guilty pleasure. Once again, if anyone truly believes in guilty pleasures at all then I take it as them just having a silly mindset to begin with.

Now, there are some truly terrible shows out there that people should truly feel guilty if they enjoy or are not at least very critical of, but that's another thing altogether.
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You don't owe anyone an explanation or apology for whatever art you happen to enjoy. If you're worried your friends will think less of you for liking a show you don't, the problem isn't the show.
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First of all, you are investing wayyyyyyyy too much into what is basically a figure of speech. You may not want to "understand" why people use it, but frankly this sounds just as judgmental as the people you're criticizing for bashing your favorite show as garbage. There is no reason why fans can't casually refer to silly rom-coms or moe or cute-girl shows as being guilty pleasure anime. It shouldn't offend you that someone else refers to it that way.
You then proceed to cast severe judgment upon folks who like violence anime. It's not my thing, I think it's a bit 'off' to claim the reason for liking something is just to wallow in blood and suffering, but the way you phrase it and unnecessarily make parallels with public executions makes it sound as if you think your reasons for liking anime are somehow superior.
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Aside from embarrassment over genre, "guilty" might refer to watching a show that you know is bad because of some aspect you find appealing. I'm thinking of something like Eromanga Sensei, which had a terrible plot and characters, but attractive character design (and it did fairly well.)
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Like I've said in another forum similar to this one: I have many pleasures and absolutely no guilt. I'm at the age where I'm not ashamed for what I like and don't care what others think about it. If you don't like something in visual media, don't watch it. If you like something, watch it. No explanation warranted.
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KingKaio wrote:

First of all, you are investing wayyyyyyyy too much into what is basically a figure of speech. You may not want to "understand" why people use it, but frankly this sounds just as judgmental as the people you're criticizing for bashing your favorite show as garbage. There is no reason why fans can't casually refer to silly rom-coms or moe or cute-girl shows as being guilty pleasure anime. It shouldn't offend you that someone else refers to it that way.
You then proceed to cast severe judgment upon folks who like violence anime. It's not my thing, I think it's a bit 'off' to claim the reason for liking something is just to wallow in blood and suffering, but the way you phrase it and unnecessarily make parallels with public executions makes it sound as if you think your reasons for liking anime are somehow superior.





LavenderMintRose wrote:
certain kinds of violent media


hahaha why did I just know I'd have to bold this?

I'm specifically talking about certain things. There are things where even the fans admit that the thrill they get from the violence is the only purpose of the show. Often, there will be some group of people who want to argue about how, like, the Saw movies or whatever are make some philosophical point that just couldn't be made without all that explicit violence, but most people recognize that the violence is the only point.

I'm not talking about things like Attack on Titan or Game of Thrones. Those are about a story. I don't personally like them, for various reasons that don't all have to do with the explicit violence, but I recognize that they have a story. There are other things that are widely recognized as, basically, torture porn.



On the topic of figures of speech... words say something. Carelessly worded statements go out into the world the same way as carefully worded ones, and have the same effect.

And if a concept is common enough to become a figure of speech, it's because it's a pattern of thoughts and behavior first. Analyzing the figure of speech, stopping it in its tracks, that's the way to remedy a problem caused by bad habits. And I think that being ashamed or embarrassed over harmless things is a bad habit, so I'd like to encourage people to break that habit.

Why wouldn't someone want less shame in their lives?
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Magical girls and now Yuri.
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Do you have any "guilty pleasures"?
None. I don't feel guilty about anything I watch.

What are they, and why do you feel guilty about it?
Anime falls short of anything that could push my guilty pleasure threshold. (Some manga/manwha do, though.)

When you see someone else enjoying your "guilty" pleasure without guilt, what do you think of that?
That would be truly scary.

How do you feel when you see someone else calling something you like a "guilty pleasure"?
Different people have different tolerances. Definitions of "guilty pleasure" are based on the individual – it defines them, not me.
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