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Home invader shot with own gun, victim now faces charges
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Posted 7/31/17 , edited 7/31/17

Ryulightorb wrote:

TL;DR The laws exist there for a reason Canada isn't some American "Shoot whoever comes onto your property like a maniac" country and i respect them for that.


You are right, we aren't.

But in the same token, we have a growing problem with people who think they are "free men of the land" and other such that think they can just waltz onto your property, take your stuff, walk out like it's no big deal, and then are suprised when holy shit, it is is a big deal.

I mean, who the fuck did they think they were kidding?

I don't think they should be killed if they were just stealing, but if they are attempting to take someone's life, I think they have earned that possible consequence and if it so happens that they have it fall on them and they die, then so be it.

We have 7+ billion apes on the planet. We can afford to lose a few morons. Especially if they can't be bothered to follow the rule of law when it comes to other peoples well being, safety and lives.

I am a Canadian, I do not have a gun, though I could if I wanted to. You break into my house, I will still let my dog deal with you as it sees fit, and I will be following up to pull her off, beat you unconscious and give you to the police when the come to drag you into the jail cell. The nice thing about big sticks is they blend in well with the woods in the area. So you fell and bumped your head is all. My dog was just doing its job and protecting its family.

Munroe's mistake was using the gun.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

TL;DR The laws exist there for a reason Canada isn't some American "Shoot whoever comes onto your property like a maniac" country and i respect them for that.


You are right, we aren't.

But in the same token, we have a growing problem with people who think they are "free men of the land" and other such that think they can just waltz onto your property, take your stuff, walk out like it's no big deal, and then are suprised when holy shit, it is is a big deal.

I mean, who the fuck did they were kidding?

I don't think they should be killed if they were just stealing, but if they are attempting to take someone's life, I think they have earned that possible consequence and if it so happens that they have it fall on them and they die, then so be it.

We have 7+ billion apes on the planet. We can afford to lose a few morons. Especially if they can't be bothered to follow the rule of law when it comes to other peoples well being, safety and lives.

I am a Canadian, I do not have a gun, though I could if I wanted to. You break into my house, I will still let my dog deal with you as it sees fit, and I will be following up to pull her off, beat you unconscious and give you to the police when the come to drag you into the jail cell. The nice thing about big sticks is they blend in well with the woods in the area. So you fell and bumped your head is all. My dog was just doing its job.

Munroes mistake was using the gun.




Yeah it is a problem which is why honestly i think there should be rules in place such as

IF someone is fleeing don't shoot if they are unarmed don't shoot but if they have a gun fire away.
Granted you could argue they could be concealing a gun and everything messy and that shoot first and ask questions later but honestly i don't think that's a valid answer i don't think there is really any good answer here.

I agree with you 100% sadly not everyone will everyone has an opinion on self defense and theirs is the right one in their mind and everyone else who disagrees is an idiot (or so it seems)

I honestly don't think there is a right opinion and countries should do what makes them function
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Give them what they wanted when they leave call the cops.
Sure they could of still killed him true but it's the law and you should never kill anyone even an intruder unless it's the only option left.

Is that so hard to understand? not every country believes in shoot to kill on a break in.
this is bullshit as it seems he had no other option but the law does exist for a reason.

Honestly if Canada wasn't at the border of America i would be surprised as to why they haven't made guns specifically for special purposes.

In this case they shouldn't be charged as it was the only available option but the laws are strict and don't make exceptions sadly..it's just as bad as if it were like America's laws on shooting people who break in.



I guess the guy did pull a "shoot now, ask questions later" type thing on the intruders. But come on no stranger should go barging into your home without your permission.
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Depending on which state, I will shoot any intruder that I damn well please:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law#/media/File:Stand-your-ground_law_by_US_jurisdiction.svg
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Give them what they wanted when they leave call the cops.
Sure they could of still killed him true but it's the law and you should never kill anyone even an intruder unless it's the only option left.

Is that so hard to understand? not every country believes in shoot to kill on a break in.
this is bullshit as it seems he had no other option but the law does exist for a reason.

Honestly if Canada wasn't at the border of America i would be surprised as to why they haven't made guns specifically for special purposes.

In this case they shouldn't be charged as it was the only available option but the laws are strict and don't make exceptions sadly..it's just as bad as if it were like America's laws on shooting people who break in.



I guess the guy did pull a "shoot now, ask questions later" type thing on the intruders. But come on no stranger should go barging into your home without your permission.


I completely agree but i don't think that gives you the right to kill them unless they are going for your life and to assume that straight off is kinda wrong but fear does take hold of us easily so i understand it.

I think though if they had weapons it's fine if they shot because that would be taken as them coming to take their life.
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Kavalion wrote:
I'm pretty sure the fleeing felon rule says you get to do that.


There's a whooole lotta footnotes on that one you might want to check.



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"Munroe is banned from any contact with two named individuals, must attend court as ordered, keep the peace and be of good behaviour, not leave his residence except for essential activities such as work or medical appointments, remain in Nova Scotia, not consume drugs or alcohol, not possess a cellphone or pager, have no weapons, and answer the door to police when they check at his home."


Honestly, between that and the list of charges it sounds like the invaders and the home owners may have known each other and that they're all perhaps Known To Police(tm).



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If i was shot and bleeding to death and i shot back in the t minutes before i died from bleeding to death id still be in the wrong
Ill never forget the woman who reached up and shot the ceiling when her husbandcharged at her ...she got 10 years in jail


No, you wouldn't.

And the case with the woman who fired the warning shot was farking absurd, yes and that was in Florida with a Stand Your Ground law to back her up. Its also much much worse than you remember. She was sentenced to 20 years. After 3 years in jail the first trial was overturned and a new trial ordered. The same prosecutor that tried her for 20 publicly announced she would retry her for 60 years this time ( yes, seriously ).

She eventually plead guilty for a plea deal that let her out on parole in 2015. But was still under house arrest for 2 more years.

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This was in Canada so sure in America that is the right choice in most other places?

well in alot of other places Shoot first and ask questions later is not ok like it is in America.
It's fine if your in America and doing this but Americans should really be saying "WTF" about another countries beliefs and laws just because they don't align up with their culture and beliefs on self defence which is really what i find funny.

If you are American shoot an intruder all you like the law is on your side for good or bad
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Anyone invading my home is an imminent threat to any person or me in my house. I don't care if you are armed and unarmed, you have presented yourself as someone who has no respect for law and you must be dealt with.
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Unless you're a black woman in Florida, anyway.
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Reminds me of Johnstown, PA. Firing any firearm for any reason, even warning shots, is illegal... Yet there's a gun club in town. Go figure. Nice to know that people like my little sis, who physically can't take on anything more than a child, can't even try and scare criminals with a .22 varmint rifle without being arrested. See, I generally can do well enough with a bludgeoning weapon, but it pains me to know that I really can't trust the law to have my back in absolute emergencies.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

I completely agree but i don't think that gives you the right to kill them unless they are going for your life and to assume that straight off is kinda wrong but fear does take hold of us easily so i understand it.

I think though if they had weapons it's fine if they shot because that would be taken as them coming to take their life.


Makes sense. Or the guy could have hidden somewhere with a phone and call the cops quietly. Losing things is hard but it can be replaced over time.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

I completely agree but i don't think that gives you the right to kill them unless they are going for your life and to assume that straight off is kinda wrong but fear does take hold of us easily so i understand it.

I think though if they had weapons it's fine if they shot because that would be taken as them coming to take their life.


Makes sense. Or the guy could have hidden somewhere with a phone and call the cops quietly. Losing things is hard but it can be replaced over time.


Exactly but in the end different places will have different laws and beliefs so it's up to the citizens to uphold those laws etc.
I find alot of US things as WTF and the US finds things in my country as WTF it just goes to show how different our ideals and beliefs are even on topics like self defense and home invasion.
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Anyone invading my home is an imminent threat to any person or me in my house. I don't care if you are armed and unarmed, you have presented yourself as someone who has no respect for law and you must be dealt with.


That's a very American view which is fine if you are American.
In my country it is much different and in others what you just said would not be agreed at by all.

it's a cultural view on defense and home invasion.
They should be dealt with but imo shooting an unarmed person who isn't attacking you is not ok but again you come back to the fact that it's a cultural and law type thing.

This not being America you can't expect them to follow the same thinking that you have on home invasions.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Exactly but in the end different places will have different laws and beliefs so it's up to the citizens to uphold those laws etc.
I find alot of US things as WTF and the US finds things in my country as WTF it just goes to show how different our ideals and beliefs are even on topics like self defense and home invasion.


True very true.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Give them what they wanted when they leave call the cops.
Sure they could of still killed him true but it's the law and you should never kill anyone even an intruder unless it's the only option left.


That's a pretty big gamble, would you still choose that risky path if there were children and a wife in the home?

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