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I'm glad Netflix is producing anime, because the small amount they currently have is laughable. Most of which you can watch on CR or Hulu. If more anime is made that would not exist otherwise, I count that as a plus. As for how they hold their currently airing licenses hostage util finished airing, I hate that. There are actual TV shows they have that are released on a weekly basis that I have seen while going through their app. I don't watch those, because I don't care for those since they aren't anime. But it shows they have the ability to do so, why they don't do that for anime is just stupid.

I look for Netflix to eventually have anime that is available only through them (even in Japan) and only released all at once. If that begins to happen, the complaints about not being able to watch weekly should go away (as those complaints center around not being able to discuss the episode with everyone else and/or being spoiled).



Yeah, its just as you say. But many would still prefer they release them weekly. I would prefer it that way, but so long as I get the series, I'm willing to wait. Its when its on the net illegally that peeves me (for TV airing series), while its in Netflix's vault legally, because then I force myself not to download it to support the industry. There are probably many who decide not to wait and pirate it. I don't fault them, because in those cases Netflix brought it on themselves with their stupidity.

I suffer the same predicament when it comes to legally released manga/light novels, most of which take 4 months minimum to release per volume. While the scanslations are aplenty on the net. I suffer the waiting game again. It shows how slow legal translators are. I used to be one of the 2 main commissioners for a certain manga that had it license cancelled due to controversy over its content. The well known translator we hired is one of the best in the industry and is also professionally hired by a certain group. With our deal we paid $30 per chapter to be translated, since it was released in Japan via one of its magazines monthly. We took turns paying per chapter each month as it released, until over years we paid for 6-7 volumes to be translated, before others started donating and the remaining series was paid for by other generous fans. The translator was ONE person and he could release the chapter within hours of getting the RAWS. Each volume was 7+ chapters, so if the RAWS were all available at once, he would probably be able to release a full volume within a couple days at most, depending on his other commissioners. Even better once the actual book scans were released, he would re-release the volumes in its high quality version free of charge for us. Since we were long time commissioners I would guess.

What I'm getting at is, why the hell does it take 4 months for legal professionals to release an English volume when he can do it in a fraction of the time? Sure in the legal release they publish their releases physically and maybe digitally, but publishing should not take up that much time. Makes you wonder what the heck they are doing in all that time.
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I suffer the same predicament when it comes to legally released manga/light novels, most of which take 4 months minimum to release per volume.


Just curious, which manga are we talking about? The majority of stuff I'm buying is every 3 months with the rest either being 2 months or caught up.

Also there are multiple reasons it takes them more time than that guy you were paying to translate.

1. They (probably) have a lot more series. I have no idea how much your guy had on their plate but just counting Yen Press (for example) releases (http://yenpress.com/new-releases/) they have 94 releases in August, September and October (I noticed a few repeated series in these 3 months like Murciélago). Sure they have multiple staff but I doubt they have too many.

2. They need things approved by the Japanese publishers (and maybe authors). There might be some that don't require that but I'd guess most do. According to Seven Seas this is the reason Angel Beats volume 2 hasn't been released yet https://www.facebook.com/gomanga/posts/10154421700049451

There's probably other reasons but I just woke up and don't feel like thinking about more right now.
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it's all about the money, that's what keeps a business in business. capitalism at it's finest so to speak. hulu isn't as bad as netflix, but if someone truly wants to watch something they aren't going to wait patiently for netflix to deliver it, I never do. once upon a time netflix tried to do a weekly broadcast of a live action show called Between and people were so upset because they wanted to binge. they don't pay for a service that they can binge on, to watch something weekly, if they wanted that they would have stuck with cable. just for the record, in case you didn't know a lot of people are going to Hulu these days thanks to how netflix is running things. on Hulu you do have a better chance to watch even more stuff, week to week instead of waiting for the whole entire thing, or you can wait for the whole entire thing. not to mention Funimation is hoarding all the anime to themselves instead of letting others dub it, resulting in them making money and being sort of mean at the same time. bidding more, using nearly all the same voice actors and sometimes tossing in new voices... heck hearing chris sabbot all the time sort of got old with the older dubbings of things. just my opinion on the matter of course.
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I suffer the same predicament when it comes to legally released manga/light novels, most of which take 4 months minimum to release per volume.


Just curious, which manga are we talking about? The majority of stuff I'm buying is every 3 months with the rest either being 2 months or caught up.

Also there are multiple reasons it takes them more time than that guy you were paying to translate.

1. They (probably) have a lot more series. I have no idea how much your guy had on their plate but just counting Yen Press (for example) releases (http://yenpress.com/new-releases/) they have 94 releases in August, September and October (I noticed a few repeated series in these 3 months like Murciélago). Sure they have multiple staff but I doubt they have too many.

2. They need things approved by the Japanese publishers (and maybe authors). There might be some that don't require that but I'd guess most do. According to Seven Seas this is the reason Angel Beats volume 2 hasn't been released yet https://www.facebook.com/gomanga/posts/10154421700049451

There's probably other reasons but I just woke up and don't feel like thinking about more right now.


The manga I had translated? It was Kodomo no Jikan. As for the legal released manga/light novels I have to wait for; Dan Machi (LN), Sword Oratoria (LN), UQ Holder (manga), Mushoku Tensei (manga), Magic and Swordsman (manga), Death March (LN), Arifureta (LN), Infinite Dendogram (LN), If it's for my daughter i'd even defeat a demon lord (LN), etc. Most of what I listed are a 4 month wait between volumes. Its highly aggravating when the US is numerous volumes behind Japan. The exceptions in that list are Infinite Dendogram and If its for my Daughter, those two are around a 2 month wait so far I believe, I hope it stays that way.

As for my translator, he released numerous commissions a week, most of which were daily-ish releases. Probably not 94 releases in a 3 month period, but way more than the other well known translators like Doujin Moe, etc. His personal commissions dropped off within the past year because FAKKU snatched him up for their magazine and tankoubon/doujin releases. The translator I hired was Sayo. They are pretty much snagging up the best translators, which in turn kind of screws over commissioners.

I can understand like you said issues behind the scenes and stuff happens, I don't fault them when its health issues. But outside of that when its just strictly business and approvals needed, they need to step it up. I still wait and don't pirate the manga/light novels, but its annoying when you don't have the new volumes to read, so you have to look into other books/series to occupy yourself with. The plus side of that is I have more books to read now, but the con of that is that I now have to wait for their future releases as well. Thankfully I also got into some older ones and most if not all of their volumes are out, so there's that.
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Gigguk: An Open Letter to Netflix and Amazon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA53wS06Cp4
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Is Netflix the Future of Anime?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMiyCLdbAFs


Seems like anime studios could be jumping into the Netflix bandwagon and ditch traditional production committees, can't really blame them with the slave labor conditions must endure in the industry, :
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If anyone here doesn't understand anime fans, it's you.

Now, Amazon's Strike service is a load and absolutely everybody hates it. That's a fact. But most Netflix subscribers are already there for other things in the first place. Netflix is reasonably priced and has a catalog that encompasses more than anime. You pulled some numbers out of your ass earlier that are incomprehensible, but as a Netflix and CR subscriber, I'll tell you exactly how much I pay every month for SVOD (not including my cable/Internet bill, which doesn't factor into this discussion):

$19 after sales tax, for both Crunchyroll and Netflix. Every month. That's it.

Also, the bulk of Netflix's new titles are shows that wouldn't even exist if Netflix wasn't bankrolling them in the first place, like the Saint Seiya reboot. Kinda hard to be "killing the industry" when you're adding content to it that otherwise would not have existed.

You are running around screaming "OH NOES!" and "EVERYTHING IS RUINED FOREVER!" and "MAH ANIMES!!!" (anime is already plural as anime, by the way, at least be less ignorant about THAT) and throwing around your bolded red centered headlines like some third-rate alt-right conspiracy theory rag, but let me tell you this:

None of what you're complaining about is important.

The very real bidding war with Crunchyroll and Anime Strike notwithstanding, the plain and simple truth is that the majority of us? If there's a show coming out and it's not going to be on a service we're subbing to/can't afford, we're just going to shrug, say "oh well", and move on with our lives.

Because it's just not that important, in the long run, when we have access to thousands of hours of content at any given time between what we have subscriptions to and what we can get for free on Youtube and the like. We're Crunchyroll subscribers, Crunchyroll always has new anime for us to watch, and all the anime we've watched and enjoyed that we can watch again if nothing new interests us. A lot of us are already Netflix subscribers and just don't see this as a big deal at all--if anything, it's a cherry on top.

Sorry, but take your petty complaining somewhere where anyone actually cares.
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If anyone here doesn't understand anime fans, it's you.

Now, Amazon's Strike service is a load and absolutely everybody hates it. That's a fact. But most Netflix subscribers are already there for other things in the first place. Netflix is reasonably priced and has a catalog that encompasses more than anime. You pulled some numbers out of your ass earlier that are incomprehensible, but as a Netflix and CR subscriber, I'll tell you exactly how much I pay every month for SVOD (not including my cable/Internet bill, which doesn't factor into this discussion):

$19 after sales tax, for both Crunchyroll and Netflix. Every month. That's it.

Also, the bulk of Netflix's new titles are shows that wouldn't even exist if Netflix wasn't bankrolling them in the first place, like the Saint Seiya reboot. Kinda hard to be "killing the industry" when you're adding content to it that otherwise would not have existed.

You are running around screaming "OH NOES!" and "EVERYTHING IS RUINED FOREVER!" and "MAH ANIMES!!!" (anime is already plural as anime, by the way, at least be less ignorant about THAT) and throwing around your bolded red centered headlines like some third-rate alt-right conspiracy theory rag, but let me tell you this:

None of what you're complaining about is important.

The very real bidding war with Crunchyroll and Anime Strike notwithstanding, the plain and simple truth is that the majority of us? If there's a show coming out and it's not going to be on a service we're subbing to/can't afford, we're just going to shrug, say "oh well", and move on with our lives.

Because it's just not that important, in the long run, when we have access to thousands of hours of content at any given time between what we have subscriptions to and what we can get for free on Youtube and the like. We're Crunchyroll subscribers, Crunchyroll always has new anime for us to watch, and all the anime we've watched and enjoyed that we can watch again if nothing new interests us. A lot of us are already Netflix subscribers and just don't see this as a big deal at all--if anything, it's a cherry on top.

Sorry, but take your petty complaining somewhere where anyone actually cares.


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Sorry, but take your petty complaining somewhere where anyone actually cares.


It's nice of you to single out me when a lot of us are posting both here on this forum and others about Netflix and Amazon and no I wont !

And you wait at least a whole season before it airs on NetFlix

You dont mention at all the good post about NETFlix I did here on their original animes.

NETFLIX Licensing ANIMES / Anime WAR's 3 Page 2 ( 2nd Post )

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-997323/netflix-licensing-animes-anime-wars-3?pg=1

Here’s a look at all the anime series hitting Netflix next year
Netflix is doubling down on tons of new anime series
by Thomas Biery Aug 2, 2017, 6:20pm EDT POLYGON


https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/2/16085266/netflix-anime-series-trailers-release-dates

BTW read this great article outside of the CR Forum community It's not just me ! There's alsi articles in Forbes IDMB complaing how they are doing it wrong

And I have different total cost for all anime

VRV ( CR / FUNI ) 9.99
Hdive 3.99 Intro / 6.99 ??
Netflix SD 7.99 / HD 9.99 2 screens
Amazon Strike 15.98 / Strike 4.99 Prme 10.99 momthly plan

I rounded to the nearest dollar

43 a month

473 a year

Anime Strike (Amazon) Possible Danger to Anime Watching PAGE 49 1st Post

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-986991/anime-strike-amazon-possible-danger-to-anime-watching?pg=48

Good article ( Pros and Cons ) of Anime Strike /Crunchyroll / HiDive / NETFLiX --see Article Streaming Stumbles: How each major anime service can improve July 14, 2017 By Tim Rattray

https://thoughtsthatmove.com/2017/07/14/streaming-stumbles-how-each-of-the-major-anime-services-can-improve/
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And I have different total cost for all anime

VRV ( CR / FUNI ) 9.99
Hdive 3.99 Intro / 6.99 ??
Netflix SD 7.99 / HD 9.99 2 screens
Amazon Strike 15.98 / Strike 4.99 Prme 10.99 momthly plan

I rounded to the nearest dollar

43 a month

473 a year


That's you, and if you want to spend that much money to watch anime, that's on you. If you can AFFORD to spend that much on anime, more power to you. But anime isn't a right. It's a consumer product. You aren't entitled to it and you aren't entitled to receive it in such and such a way as best suits you. You take what's offered you at the price set by the provider, if you agree that the price is reasonable or are just too addicted to say no.

Your experience != everybody else's experience.

I've got a CR subscription and a Netflix subscription and that's all I need. It keeps me sufficiently entertained. I think you'll find more people agree with that than disagree with it.

The rest of your post...is frankly gibberish, garbled nonsense I have no particular desire to wade through to dissect. You strike me as an excitable person who has difficulty constructing your thoughts in a coherent manner and, possibly, feel some sense of entitlement when it comes to anime. If you're okay with that, you do you, not my place to judge. But your weird, conspiracy-theory, spam-header forum posts are an eyesore, and I'd just like to ask you to try to construct your posts in a less sensationalist, more practical way. You might find it gets better results and makes you look a bit less unhinged.

That's my two cents. Take it or leave it. I'm out.

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mythrilmothV2 wrote:

But anime isn't a right. It's a consumer product. You aren't entitled to it and you aren't entitled to receive it in such and such a way as best suits you. You take what's offered you at the price set by the provider, if you agree that the price is reasonable or are just too addicted to say no.


May want ask HBO how well such a strategy pans out.
http://ew.com/article/2015/04/21/game-thrones-piracy-record/

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mythrilmothV2 wrote:

But anime isn't a right. It's a consumer product. You aren't entitled to it and you aren't entitled to receive it in such and such a way as best suits you. You take what's offered you at the price set by the provider, if you agree that the price is reasonable or are just too addicted to say no.


May want ask HBO how well such a strategy pans out.
http://ew.com/article/2015/04/21/game-thrones-piracy-record/



You aren't just comparing apples to oranges, you're comparing oranges to paper towels. Also, bringing up piracy in this discussion is pointless. Piracy is always going to exist, and people are always going to find excuses to defend it to justify their own desire to take something for nothing.

Come back when you want to talk about the real issue.
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Disney has decided to end their deal with Netflix and build their own streaming service that will launch in 2019. Not to jinx anything knowing that Disney hasn't been involved with anime beyond the Ghibli stuff, but this could mean another subscription is needed to meet our anime needs. Seeing that they are interested in stuff that's all ages while most anime is not kid-friendly that I don't see them being a threat to further fragment the landscape, but of course Disney is highly capable of getting into the industry if they want to.
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Disney has decided to end their deal with Netflix and build their own streaming service that will launch in 2019. Not to jinx anything knowing that Disney hasn't been involved with anime beyond the Ghibli stuff, but this could mean another subscription is needed to meet our anime needs. Seeing that they are interested in stuff that's all ages while most anime is not kid-friendly that I don't see them being a threat to further fragment the landscape, but of course Disney is highly capable of getting into the industry if they want to.


Yea we need more streaming Services The War is Expanding / More Money / More Confusion / but some sanity prevails


I was told to quit " yapping " about Netflix but there is so much going with big changes again / how it wiLL affect Netflix anime or not / Now I get the deals the were making with the Orginal animes


Facebook and Disney join Amazon on quest to dethrone streaming king Netflix / by Monica Nickelsburg on August 10, 2017 at 10:51 am Geek Wire

https://www.geekwire.com/2017/facebook-disney-join-amazon-quest-dethrone-streaming-king-netflix/






Netflix Has Nothing To Worry About With Disney Leaving The Service, As The Future Is All About Anime by Ollie Barder , Contributor Forbes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2017/08/10/netflix-has-nothing-to-worry-about-with-disney-leaving-the-service-as-the-future-is-all-about-anime/#440ea221486d




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Bakaneer wrote:

Disney has decided to end their deal with Netflix and build their own streaming service that will launch in 2019. Not to jinx anything knowing that Disney hasn't been involved with anime beyond the Ghibli stuff, but this could mean another subscription is needed to meet our anime needs. Seeing that they are interested in stuff that's all ages while most anime is not kid-friendly that I don't see them being a threat to further fragment the landscape, but of course Disney is highly capable of getting into the industry if they want to.


Hope Disney stays far away from anime production cause they would surely become the new 4kids, they should focus on plagiarizing others people works " Osamu Tezuka's 1960s Kimba the White Lion " which seems to be one of their main strengths.


the Walt Disney Corporation approached Studio Ghibli through its parent company Tokuma Shoten in 1997 to purchase the distribution rights to Ghibli’s films, including Miyazaki’s. When Miramax, a Disney subsidiary at the time, was preparing the North American theatrical premiere of Princess Mononoke, Harvey Weinstein asked Studio Ghibli if they would permit cuts. What he received soon after, instead of resigned permission, was a Japanese sword attached with a note that simply read, “no cuts.”

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/06/hayao-miyazakis-legacy-is-far-greater-than-his-fil.html

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