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Alright, theoretical idea. I have a piece of land like 1 acre. I have a machine that automatically plant crops, water plants, add fertilizer, and harvest crops with a timer. And at a push of a button, I would get a perpetual crop income like +1000 crops every year.

Now I eat -100 of the crops, and I sell the remaining 900 crops. I am able to perpetually sustain myself and sell food without doing any work.

Now this could be the life of a farmer, or someone who owns a large amount of land. The idea is, if you are able to own a large piece of land with machinery, chance is you will get a perpetual income.

Now I am not saying you should sell the crop for any less price, and chance is a farmer probably would not trade the crops for a computer program, or a computer.

The idea is, if you balance this out, that you really do have an automatic crop system, everyone should have an easy life. You write a simple program and it balances out to maybe 500 crops salary and you can retire at 40 years old.

Essentially, the emphasis of life is food and water. I am not saying you should rob the farmer or lower the food cost, but it should be a win win strategy for all professions. You get food and water, you write some simple programs, and you retire early, 40 years old, set for the rest of your life.

If there is not an automatic crop system, start making one. The early retirement plan should be there for everyone


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Forget about crops, I just remembered my invention. With rubisco enzyme, water, and ATP, you can get large amount of carbohydrates, the reaction goes even in the dark with ATP. ATP comes from phosphate, which is the majority of earth crust, and I think it can be cycled.

carbohydrate + enzyme = starch

Well, it is simple for someone to profit with this technique, but if the price won't change for starch, salary should go up
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Not in a system with other entities
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potatos!!!!!!!!!!
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while a novel idea you're adding to much complexity to something simple.


A) your set for life since you have a infinite food an source of water the money just a bonus

B) sell/mass produce said idea be richest man in the world an end world hunger.


of course since this is a fantasy idea could just said i win the lottery am i set for life. or if you really want add complexity their many factors.

such as is making a profit sustainable versus cost of upkeep, health of crops, location, soil, cost of repairs, how often does it break down? does it pollute which can lead to a faster global warming an banning of said device.
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That's kind of how commercial agriculture works already. The thing is, to balance out the cost of high-tech machinery you need a large-scale operation (much bigger than a single acre). Additionally, the amount of automation currently possible is limited by crop type. Some fruits and vegetables are too delicate to be picked by machinery at a cost effective rate. And even with automation, you still have alot of hard work and sweat to maintain those machines, handle the crops, etc. Not to mention you're still dependent on favorable weather conditions to not eat into your profit margins.
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fredreload wrote:

Alright, theoretical idea. I have a piece of land like 1 acre. I have a machine that automatically plant crops, water plants, add fertilizer, and harvest crops with a timer. And at a push of a button, I would get a perpetual crop income like +1000 crops every year.

Now I eat -100 of the crops, and I sell the remaining 900 crops. I am able to perpetually sustain myself and sell food without doing any work.

Now this could be the life of a farmer, or someone who owns a large amount of land. The idea is, if you are able to own a large piece of land with machinery, chance is you will get a perpetual income.

Now I am not saying you should sell the crop for any less price, and chance is a farmer probably would not trade the crops for a computer program, or a computer.

The idea is, if you balance this out, that you really do have an automatic crop system, everyone should have an easy life. You write a simple program and it balances out to maybe 500 crops salary and you can retire at 40 years old.

Essentially, the emphasis of life is food and water. I am not saying you should rob the farmer or lower the food cost, but it should be a win win strategy for all professions. You get food and water, you write some simple programs, and you retire early, 40 years old, set for the rest of your life.

If there is not an automatic crop system, start making one. The early retirement plan should be there for everyone


Correction:
Forget about crops, I just remembered my invention. With rubisco enzyme, water, and ATP, you can get large amount of carbohydrates, the reaction goes even in the dark with ATP. ATP comes from phosphate, which is the majority of earth crust, and I think it can be cycled.

carbohydrate + enzyme = starch

Well, it is simple for someone to profit with this technique, but if the price won't change for starch, salary should go up


1) The majority of the Earth's crust is not phosphates. It is silicate oxides and aluminum oxides. Phosphorus compounds are in fact a vanishingly small proportion of the crust. Like, one tenth of one percent.

2) Wonderful idea, except that you also need to build, maintain, repair, replace, and fuel the machines. And build the farm. And your home. And provide power to it. And potable water. And remove waste. And package and store your crops. And distribute them. Which means roads. And transports. And repair, maintenance, and fuel for those. And distribution centers (IE, stores).

In other words, you end up with basically societal economics pretty much as they already are.

3) To corrupt a phrase, "man cannot live on carbohydrate alone". Mind you, the original phrase is a reference to the fact that mankind requires challenges and mental stimulation and meaning to their lives (and not just the physical needs of food and water), but beyond that, on a more literal level, mere carbohydrates will not provide even vaguely close to the dietary needs to keep humans alive. At least, not for very long.
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fredreload wrote:

Alright, theoretical idea. I have a piece of land like 1 acre. I have a machine that automatically plant crops, water plants, add fertilizer, and harvest crops with a timer. And at a push of a button, I would get a perpetual crop income like +1000 crops every year.

Now I eat -100 of the crops, and I sell the remaining 900 crops. I am able to perpetually sustain myself and sell food without doing any work.

Now this could be the life of a farmer, or someone who owns a large amount of land. The idea is, if you are able to own a large piece of land with machinery, chance is you will get a perpetual income.

Now I am not saying you should sell the crop for any less price, and chance is a farmer probably would not trade the crops for a computer program, or a computer.

The idea is, if you balance this out, that you really do have an automatic crop system, everyone should have an easy life. You write a simple program and it balances out to maybe 500 crops salary and you can retire at 40 years old.

Essentially, the emphasis of life is food and water. I am not saying you should rob the farmer or lower the food cost, but it should be a win win strategy for all professions. You get food and water, you write some simple programs, and you retire early, 40 years old, set for the rest of your life.

If there is not an automatic crop system, start making one. The early retirement plan should be there for everyone


Correction:
Forget about crops, I just remembered my invention. With rubisco enzyme, water, and ATP, you can get large amount of carbohydrates, the reaction goes even in the dark with ATP. ATP comes from phosphate, which is the majority of earth crust, and I think it can be cycled.

carbohydrate + enzyme = starch

Well, it is simple for someone to profit with this technique, but if the price won't change for starch, salary should go up


1) The majority of the Earth's crust is not phosphates. It is silicate oxides and aluminum oxides. Phosphorus compounds are in fact a vanishingly small proportion of the crust. Like, one tenth of one percent.

2) Wonderful idea, except that you also need to build, maintain, repair, replace, and fuel the machines. And build the farm. And your home. And provide power to it. And potable water. And remove waste. And package and store your crops. And distribute them. Which means roads. And transports. And repair, maintenance, and fuel for those. And distribution centers (IE, stores).

In other words, you end up with basically societal economics pretty much as they already are.

3) To corrupt a phrase, "man cannot live on carbohydrate alone". Mind you, the original phrase is a reference to the fact that mankind requires challenges and mental stimulation and meaning to their lives (and not just the physical needs of food and water), but beyond that, on a more literal level, mere carbohydrates will not provide even vaguely close to the dietary needs to keep humans alive. At least, not for very long.


1) Well it should be able to be recycled if you know what I mean, people are not absorbing all the ATP from food, I assume they are excreted out at one point as fertilizers. Which still means enough food as of the current population.

2) Right, but then with a bit of chemistry you can get a vast amount of carbohydrate from the reaction. Meaning you don't have to grow crops, or build machines. You don't use out ATP, it is a power source, you recycle ATP, which means as much carbohydrate as you can get. Carbon, hydrogen, common enough.

ADP->ATP I assume it's electron transferring, though I am not an expert on this one

3) Yes all the other proteins should also be able to be recycled and produced at vast amount. It's all about enzymes, and maybe protein producing organisms. Or produce fruit from fruit enzymes

P.S Now the problem is the distribution of wealth, I can have myself be the richest man in the world, or I can have everyone retire early, and my own excuse to be lazy and unable to figure this out = =

P.S I am not against you, I myself does not know if ATP can be recharged, but if you do know, shouldn't keep it a secret right?


michton wrote:

while a novel idea you're adding to much complexity to something simple.


A) your set for life since you have a infinite food an source of water the money just a bonus

B) sell/mass produce said idea be richest man in the world an end world hunger.


of course since this is a fantasy idea could just said i win the lottery am i set for life. or if you really want add complexity their many factors.

such as is making a profit sustainable versus cost of upkeep, health of crops, location, soil, cost of repairs, how often does it break down? does it pollute which can lead to a faster global warming an banning of said device.


Right it should be, should everyone retire early
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well then, you should probably buy and island and live there. well we could probably, possibly say that maybe you are all set for life as of now. but we don't really know the future mate. something might happen, i'm not cursing your or anything, i am just, well thinking like a normal human being. i mean like who knows the future?
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The way I look at is you'd be set for life in such a system if you were one of the lucky minority who just happened to have life come together and allow everything to work out as planned. As I get older the idea of being "set for life" seems more and more foolish. If I were to personally try to define "set for life" it would be able to work and live at a steady pace that does not push the body beyond its limits (in the sense that our bodies can only go so far before they break).
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Welp it's the wealth system. Everyone should be clothed, fooded, watered, and live a happy life.

Transistion:
Why work on computers when everyone can take on an acre of land and grow food and be well fed?

Transition:
Now that we can produce unlimited amount of food with Chemistry, why do we still need to work for food and water?

Retire early, free food, that should be how the thing goes


P.S Alright, there is no easy lunch, but not work until I am 60 years old with low income and no home, no land->where Fred is heading
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As someone from a family with a farming background/someone who has done a little farmwork themselves I'm just gonna share what I've learned from other farmers: Buying, planting and selling crops is good but it'll be very difficult to make it into a profitable venture without raising livestock. The same is also true for livestock or dairy farms that don't focus on crops; typically focusing on one type of farming makes you enough money to break even if done correctly. If you really want to profit as a small farm it is best to do a mixture so one type of farming will cover your costs while the other nets you some profit.

The biggest issue I can see here is the increase in the price of seeds, feed and livestock itself. Genetically modified crop seeds planted by Farmer A can often blow into/plant themselves into the fields of farmer B, C and D using natural stock and take over causing a lot of problems. Feed prices to keep livestock are also on the rise and a lot of small farms are having to sell to bigger companies who can buy seeds, feed, etc. in bulk because they can't afford to compete and farm at a profit.

If I were you I'd just consider starting an herb garden or something to help cut your costs at home( grow your basil, your mint, tomatoes, etc. ) by saving on things you'd normally buy at grocery. I'd look into the price of a greenhouse, focus on making that into something that saves money and if you like that see if you can raise chicken or rabbits in your area as a food source. If that works out well maybe then consider getting into farming and see what government kickbacks are available to those getting into farming.

Some links that may be helpful:
http://www.gardenguides.com/85420-start-greenhouse.html
http://www.growingagreenerworld.com/tips-for-owning-a-hobby-greenhouse-from-13-years-experience/
https://www.planetnatural.com/greenhouse-kits/
http://www.wikihow.com/Plan-a-Greenhouse
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SJB-3 wrote:

As someone from a family with a farming background/someone who has done a little farmwork themselves I'm just gonna share what I've learned from other farmers: Buying, planting and selling crops is good but it'll be very difficult to make it into a profitable venture without raising livestock. The same is also true for livestock or dairy farms that don't focus on crops; typically focusing on one type of farming makes you enough money to break even if done correctly. If you really want to profit as a small farm it is best to do a mixture so one type of farming will cover your costs while the other nets you some profit.

The biggest issue I can see here is the increase in the price of seeds, feed and livestock itself. Genetically modified crop seeds planted by Farmer A can often blow into/plant themselves into the fields of farmer B, C and D using natural stock and take over causing a lot of problems. Feed prices to keep livestock are also on the rise and a lot of small farms are having to sell to bigger companies who can buy seeds, feed, etc. in bulk because they can't afford to compete and farm at a profit.

If I were you I'd just consider starting an herb garden or something to help cut your costs at home( grow your basil, your mint, tomatoes, etc. ) by saving on things you'd normally buy at grocery. I'd look into the price of a greenhouse, focus on making that into something that saves money and if you like that see if you can raise chicken or rabbits in your area as a food source. If that works out well maybe then consider getting into farming and see what government kickbacks are available to those getting into farming.

Some links that may be helpful:
http://www.gardenguides.com/85420-start-greenhouse.html
http://www.growingagreenerworld.com/tips-for-owning-a-hobby-greenhouse-from-13-years-experience/
https://www.planetnatural.com/greenhouse-kits/
http://www.wikihow.com/Plan-a-Greenhouse


Hmm, what do you think about the large amount of carbohydrate, starch production using chemistry ? Is it like the Devil's workshop? I'd like some opinion, good or bad
Posted 8/3/17
1 acre.... ha!
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No. You will always want more.
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