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Post Reply What does American animation lack compared to anime? (serious question)
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Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17
I don't think American animation lacks anything, there just isn't enough of it. I think if there was more, people would see more diverse stories and styles but since there isn't really all that much we get stuck with cartoony shallow plot shows (though there are obvious exceptions, just generalising)
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I think it's mostly the targeted audience.

Most American Cartoons are targeting children and maybe teenagers.

There is no cartoons for adults, or if it exist ...it's a once in a lifetime strike of lightning.

I mean we have comedy cartoons like Family Guy or the likes, but a real cartoon that is aimed at adults doesn't exist. I mean, the plot line is completely whimsical or based solely in a fantasy world or the cartoon itself is self-contained. Family Guy takes things that are happening now and make fun of it, as does most if not all of the once in a life time strike of lightning cartoons.

We don't just have a cartoon for adults that simply exist as a cartoon for adults, with no political or real world ties.

Anime does that.

It allows you to be an adult and like cartoons, that are created for adults to like.

Does it mean panty shoots ...sure, but it also means, cartoons that have deep plots that are never meant to be grasp by a child.

Steven Universe is a great cartoon, and as you watch it, you realize it has a pretty deep plot.

IT's not as much of a slow burn as Adventure Time, which, still dances around the big questions.

Yet, Steven Universe is still a child's cartoon.

It not going to get as deep as it could, because, children couldn't grasp it.

Korra, is more of a teenager show, but still not for adults.

It's gets really deep, and sometimes really dark, but it never gets past the point where a child couldn't grasp it.

It gets really close, but never enough.

The reason why, Adults don't buy toys. In Japan they do, and no one looks at you weird for reading a comic ...and the culture is more accepting of this sort of thing. I can't remember, but there was a discussion about simply playing a video game in public as a adult. It's seen as being geeky or just really ...really low on the totem pole.

That is changing, but, it's not there yet.

So, until it gets to that point, there isn't a market for it ...or enough of a market for it to be a successful venture.

Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17

oneouts123 wrote:

what does American animation lack compared to anime? I feel like the best American animation has to offer is works like Young Justice and DC & Marvel animated movies are the best the America has to offer but all that plaes in comprasion to Japanese anime. What's the difference? Is it budget? Art style? Angles and Effects? Even the average anime looks better than America's best. The "DoomFist" overwatch trailer was great but we don't make enough stuff like that in America.

Edit: It seems that most of the answers are storytelling, expressing emotions, voice acting and exaggerated scenes.


Art style for sure and angles

Anime is more fast paced action and dramatic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg5pA847n2E - flip flappers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oe0AO2WW04 - fate ubw

Western is a bit more slower paced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh_q42N_zjQ
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A lot of people don't realize that the business model in Japan and America is different. In Japan, the fans would buy the expensive blu-rays and that cover the cost. In America, people expect the TV's networks to cover the costs. The networks prefer episodic, comedic animated TV series because they can rerun it. People tend not to rewatch episodes of TV series with a continuous narrative. Also the networks prefer TV series that can bring in merchandise revenue. If people want Western's animated series to be something different, they had to put there money where there mouth is instead of complaining online.
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Posted 8/13/17 , edited 8/13/17

outontheop wrote:


sinoakayumi wrote:
The story in American cartoons seem to be less consistent, less relatable to the audience, and less original. I also suspect that the competition on American cartoon industries is rigged by a few large corporation and corrupted government officers but more investigation is needed to comfirm this.


That's one of the more ridiculous things I have read lately.

I think the problem is less than the American television industry is incapable of making good story-arc, mature-content series, and more that the American television industry actually has the budget, sufficient live-action special effects experience, and adequate supply of experienced and talented live-action actors to just focus on making those kind of series in live-action, rather than focusing (near) exclusively on animation for all genres covering all audience demographics.



So you are saying it is the problem with opportunity cost; American television industry are sacrificing the plot and character development for live-action visual animation. I am now wondering something: why do American television industry all focus on live-action animation at the cost of the story develop when the American customers prefer anime for its story development at the cost of live-action? Is this an extreme form of globalization where the American animation become specialized on live-action at the cost of its plot and character development?


ludewig wrote:

A lot of people don't realize that the business model in Japan and America is different. In Japan, the fans would buy the expensive blu-rays and that cover the cost. In America, people expect the TV's networks to cover the costs. The networks prefer episodic, comedic animated TV series because they can rerun it. People tend not to rewatch episodes of TV series with a continuous narrative. Also the networks prefer TV series that can bring in merchandise revenue. If people want Western's animated series to be something different, they had to put there money where there mouth is instead of complaining online.


Emphasizing individual choice so the customers will be blamed instead of the invisible hand of the market; this political tactic seems very familiar...
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Although I don't think american animation is bad, I can think of a few things it is lacking in compared to anime.

Being:
-Humanism (Characters don't look human.)
-Character depth (Characters are mostly just archetypes with no real depth.)
-Opening sequences (This can be spun either way, but I prefer the way anime handles their openings compared to american animation.)
-Story (With the exception of Disney and very few cartoons, most american animations have god-awful stories.)
-Emotion (With both voice actors and the animation, characters don't seem to have much emotion. This is a bad example [Since it isn't an animation and the game was made in Japan.] but look at the english voice actors for Terra and Aqua in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, then compare them to their Japanese counterparts.)
-Fanbases (With the exception of shows like Rick and Morty and Steven Universe, not many american cartoons/animated movies have legitimate fanbases.)

On the other hand, anime is lacking a bit too compared to american animation, but I'd say it is quite a bit less.

Being:
-Framerate/animation (The framerate of anime is clearly lower than the vast majority of american animations.)
-Consistency (In one frame a character would be very detailed, then the next they look like a child drew them.)
-Acceptance (American animation is seen as acceptable to watch by pretty much everyone over in the west, but anime has a giant stigma against it and it suffers for that. Imagine if it didn't have the stigma. This may just be my bias talking but this is still something american animation has over anime. Even if that stigma only exists because of misunderstanding that animation isn't only for kids and that hentai is about less than 1 percent of all anime that exists.)


I think you misinterpreted the word "Humanism", as its not about looks but about the human personality. Also would like to mention that when comparing anime and American animation, anime characters look far less human with their big alien eyes and practically non existent nose and lips.
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Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/14/17
Few things what comes in mind are

- Not that good story / no storyline at all.
- Story / plot is too predictable. Same as Hollywood movies.
- Follows strictly rulebook for cuts and everything like (Hollywood) movies.

For same reasons I don't watch anymore Hollywood movies, ofc there is good ones but mostly boring.

Japanese writers create better story is just that they don't limit themself for similar way as western ones. They use much more imagination to create storys and plots for each chapter.

Disney movies would be great if they would folllow original story but they go pretty far from original. But yeah I watch some american animations for ex.
- American Dad
- Simpsons
- Futurama (Not anymore but used to watch)
- South park (Best american series)

But American animation is imo only good as shortstory as every one what I have wached is. Not for long story (as almost any Japanese animation series)
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Posted 8/14/17 , edited 8/14/17

oneouts123 wrote:


GamingGodzilla wrote:

Although I don't think american animation is bad, I can think of a few things it is lacking in compared to anime.

Being:
-Humanism (Characters don't look human.)
-Character depth (Characters are mostly just archetypes with no real depth.)
-Opening sequences (This can be spun either way, but I prefer the way anime handles their openings compared to american animation.)
-Story (With the exception of Disney and very few cartoons, most american animations have god-awful stories.)
-Emotion (With both voice actors and the animation, characters don't seem to have much emotion. This is a bad example [Since it isn't an animation and the game was made in Japan.] but look at the english voice actors for Terra and Aqua in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, then compare them to their Japanese counterparts.)
-Fanbases (With the exception of shows like Rick and Morty and Steven Universe, not many american cartoons/animated movies have legitimate fanbases.)

On the other hand, anime is lacking a bit too compared to american animation, but I'd say it is quite a bit less.

Being:
-Framerate/animation (The framerate of anime is clearly lower than the vast majority of american animations.)
-Consistency (In one frame a character would be very detailed, then the next they look like a child drew them.)
-Acceptance (American animation is seen as acceptable to watch by pretty much everyone over in the west, but anime has a giant stigma against it and it suffers for that. Imagine if it didn't have the stigma. This may just be my bias talking but this is still something american animation has over anime. Even if that stigma only exists because of misunderstanding that animation isn't only for kids and that hentai is about less than 1 percent of all anime that exists.)


I think you misinterpreted the word "Humanism", as its not about looks but about the human personality. Also would like to mention that when comparing anime and American animation, anime characters look far less human with their big alien eyes and practically non existent nose and lips.


I guess it can go either way depending on how you look at it but even in american animations the characters have pretty big eyes. I'd like to think that anime characters look more human than characters like Homer Simpson or Peter Griffin.

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