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Hm, well, I know I've worked up to getting $15 dollars an hour at my job but this definitely will change things for employed people and customers alike. I kind of thought they had these at a few restaurants already though or something similar to it where you can check your payment, order, and slide your card or tap your phone to confirm your order. Looking on the net though at basic job hunting sites, well, you don't see a lot of jobs that start off at $15 dollars an hour for sure. Yet if you do they don't appear to be in the food prep business as much which means this likely could have been expanded by minimum wage raises.
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DragonFan1 wrote:

Hm, well, I know I've worked up to getting $15 dollars an hour at my job but this definitely will change things for employed people and customers alike. I kind of thought they had these at a few restaurants already though or something similar to it where you can check your payment, order, and slide your card or tap your phone to confirm your order. Looking on the net though at basic job hunting sites, well, you don't see a lot of jobs that start off at $15 dollars an hour for sure. Yet if you do they don't appear to be in the food prep business as much which means this likely could have been expanded by minimum wage raises.


Well, what we can do is if we can deport all the illegal immigrants out of the U.S. We cut the supply of min wage jobs or low skilled work, so you have more American citizens able to compete for these jobs.

Before you say this shit racist. Please read Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith. It will teach something called supply and demand.
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As I live just outside of Seattle(Whom I beleive started the whole $15/hr nonsense) I wont bother to go into that arena of the discussion

As far as cost goes... I am willing to bet McDonalds wont pay full price up front. When your a corporation as big as McDonalds even start up companies are willing to take monthly payments since the chance of you going out of business or unable to make the payments financially is slim to none.Ad to that the tech companies who supply these kiosks get a HUGE marketing gimmick when they can say "Want to see our amazing product? Hows Mcdonalds sound for lunch?" Having huge companies sell your products for you by using them is a win win.
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Because they just made some arbitrary number without actually researching. Why stop at $15/hr? Why not $50? Or $1000? Why not even $1 billion? Working minimum wage should make you want to do something more than minimum wage....not stick around doing that position forever. I worked at Taco Bell for 7 years, I started at $5.15 which was minimum in the late 90's. I had two raises a year, and the minimum wage went up a bit every couple of years. So I hovered just above minimum and had literally nothing to show it compared to the new hires making just less than me starting out as minimum kept going up. My wage didn't go up an extra amount when min went up. No. Guess what? I got sick of working so much for so little, and moved on(left at $7.66 and minimum when I left was I believe $6.95. My next job was $10.50 an hour, and I worked 48-62 hours a week. I made a ton! For back then. Until I hurt myself...

My next job I started at 8.50, and grew to $12.50 in the first 3 years, was at the airport. But our contract was sold multiple times, and each time I had to start again, and at a lower wage. When I left after 6 years, I was at 9.50, which was the max for that company. The flight benefits were worthless, as I didn't make enough to stay anywhere I flew to. Then I moved to my current job. I have worked here for 5 years almost. It is the newspaper, so it obviously won't be around that much longer...but I currently make just shy of $19 an hour. I have a house now. Min wage here is $8.90. if it goes to $15, I won't get a $6.10 increase to compensate now will I? What else will increase to go along with those minimum wages? Well, food will. Grocery stores hire min wage workers, so those groceries will have to go up...they certainly have since I started working. Fast food isn't the only place that hires low wage workers. Many manufacturing jobs are min or low wage as well.

I started doing something else as I was typing this out, so I have lost interest and will end it here! Should min wage go up? Yes, over time as inflation rises. Not forcefully, it will just ruin the economy. Heck, when gas prices shot up over $4 so quickly, everything crashed....everyone felt it. Then it went back down to $2,....and slowly went back up to $3 for a while. It wasn't as much of a burden when it was a gradual increase, though still sucked and I avoided driving as much as possible!
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Labour (and specifically low wage labour at that) only makes up a portion of the cost of goods. Usually, it is a small portion. The impact on most prices should be minimal.
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This is a direct quote from Wealth of Nations:

Where wages are not regulated by law, all that we can pretend to determine is, what are the most usual; and experience seems to shew that law can never regulate them properly, though it has often pretended to do so.
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OneEyedDragon wrote: Well, what we can do is if we can deport all the illegal immigrants out of the U.S. We cut the supply of min wage jobs or low skilled work, so you have more American citizens able to compete for these jobs.


No. You cut the supply of workers, which means businesses with a demand for workers need to pay more money for them. Those who can't pay more money for those workers will not be able to get enough of them, and those businesses will close, reducing the demand for workers and almost magically returning the system to a near-equilibrium state where workers cost pretty much the same as they did before... but there are fewer jobs available.


Before you say this shit racist. Please read Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith. It will teach something called supply and demand.


It's not racist, it's stupid. You're talking about holding the demand for workers stable while artificially forcing a leftward supply shift, which raises prices on the American business owner. This naturally causes a market correction, where the demand shifts left until American businesses can afford workers again. Those businesses best able to work on reduced staff - the largest ones - are more likely to weather the correction. Small businesses, however, are highly likely to shut down.

This is more or less exactly what happens when you raise minimum wage, too. Companies that pay minimum wage and can only afford two or three employees go to only being able to afford one employee, if any, and if that's not enough to do the work that company is going to fold.

But the way we measure employment, this will be invisible. In just a few months, it will look like raising minimum wage did absolutely nothing. We'll have more jobless and more homeless, but somehow we won't have any more unemployed.
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No. You cut the supply of workers, which means businesses with a demand for workers need to pay more money for them. Those who can't pay more money for those workers will not be able to get enough of them, and those businesses will close, reducing the demand for workers and almost magically returning the system to a near-equilibrium state where workers cost pretty much the same as they did before... but there are fewer jobs available.


Obviously, businesses have to pay more for workers. This is a free market bud.

Illegal aliens are undercutting the American citizens who need those low paying jobs. Everyone starts in a low paying job and works themselves up. You literally want American citizens to suffer because you want these illegals to flood the supply charts to lower down their business cost. I can't believe you are in support for criminal acts.

At the very core, that is CRUEL & UNUSUAL.

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I've seen plenty of those when I travel. It's weird that the US wouldn't be the first to have them
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I've seen plenty of those when I travel. It's weird that the US wouldn't be the first to have them


The market will always satisfy the demands of the consumers. The reason we are having this now is the rising minimum wage. The fast food workers who were protesting for $15/hr is now having a taste of a medicine or should I saw a taste of real world economics.
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Yeah I can see some old people walk in and be like what the f*** is this and try and click with their nails like my grandma does with her smartphone then it doesn't work and she clicks harder and it'll break probably after all the old people get done with them.

"We don't need none those dang adding contraptions"



they have gorilla glass 4 or 5 for phones/tablets now a day? i don't think you can just poke through the glass of these kiosk even with long fingernails-- unless you kick or use a hammer on it. and then get arrested

$0/hr, no benefits, 24/7 work schedule,etc-- no human employee can compete with this


No I mean like, just the general pounding on it constantly after a while will take a toll, they will be replacing the screens frequently. I guess it's cheaper than paying someone though.
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Ashmash12345 wrote:

I've seen plenty of those when I travel. It's weird that the US wouldn't be the first to have them


The market will always satisfy the demands of the consumers. The reason we are having this now is the rising minimum wage. The fast food workers who were protesting for $15/hr is now having a taste of a medicine or should I saw a taste of real world economics.


Ah a taste of real economics, that you clearly understand because you read A Wealth of Nations. This might be a longer post and I'll have some questions for you that you'll need to answer so we can continue to have a fruitful discussion on the economics of business. I don't want some "lul immigrants r bad and take murrican jobs. that is criminal and cruel and unusual lul." Cdarlock took the time to create an informative post and all you did was prove you really didn't understand the source material to begin with.

So since the effects on small business were covered by Cdarlock (and ignored) we'll start elsewhere. Many debate Smith's underlying meaning of A Wealth of Nations but some of it is very plain (he was a philosophical writer after all.) Some things are rather clear though, when we discuss the wealth of a nation he believes that each nation has to find their specialty and exploit it to the utmost.

- What do you think Americas specialty is? What is perhaps the specialty of China? As our main competitor, that is also outpacing our growth; it is an almost certainty they will surpass us.

-In terms of McDonald's and these automated restaurants, what do you think drives them to do it? What do you McDonald's overall business strategy is? I'll help, do you think it is to provide a low-cost product as efficiently as possible? Do you know the term economies of scale?

-What is it that makes you think this restaurant has anything to do with immigrant workers? They are still there so how is that forcing McDonalds to use this system?

Finally a small section on low-wage immigrants taking "jerbs" from Americans. Provide some well-sourced proof that Americans are competing for these jobs and losing (not a meme, something with substance), instead of not even attempting them. Hint: It's a lot easier (and more profitable) to live on federal assistance than to pick oranges.

This is pretty much your chance to prove you know what you are talking about and aren't just parroting standard alt-right troll shit.
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I can't wait till a deranged hippie makes it the last of it's kind.

Also now added to my list of terrorist retirement plans. (Send a computer virus to all automated fast food restaurants so that it only displays healthy items like carrots and peanut butter.)
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Evilshadowx wrote:

No I mean like, just the general pounding on it constantly after a while will take a toll, they will be replacing the screens frequently. I guess it's cheaper than paying someone though.


pressing on the screen with your fingers will not cause any damage to these kioks unless it was intentional


https://kioskindustry.org/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/06/23/mcdonalds-fast-food-kiosks/423501001/
https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-a-self-service-kiosk-cost
http://www.costowl.com/b2b/kiosks-touch-screen-cost.html

so it will cost aroudn $3000-$10000 for one of these Kiosks ? If you are buying in bulk i'm sure you will get various discounts. I'm curious if people will demand a price DECREASE-- since we are doing the work of ordering (like those self checkout) ??
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Obviously, businesses have to pay more for workers. This is a free market bud.


It's not very free if you're going to throw people out of the country because you don't want them in your market.


Illegal aliens are undercutting the American citizens who need those low paying jobs.


That's how free markets work. Sometimes your competitors offer the same product at a lower price, and you either do something about it or you go out of business.

Whinging at the government to shut down your competitors because they're a bunch of dirty foreigners kind of makes you a pussy. Racism doesn't even enter into it. You're WEAK.


You literally want American citizens to suffer because you want these illegals to flood the supply charts to lower down their business cost.


Nope. I want every human being on the planet to have the complete and total freedom to work for anyone who wants to hire them. I don't think it matters whether someone is a citizen of this country or that country. I think a human being who wants a job should be allowed to get a job, and a business who wants to hire that human being should be allowed to hire him.


I can't believe you are in support for criminal acts.


What I actually support is completely decriminalising those acts. Right now, since this practice is illegal, I think anyone engaged in it should be held accountable under the law. But the law is stupid, and we should do away with it, because IT MAKES AMERICANS WORSE OFF.
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