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For like half of the entire arc Shinobu was like "yay I have my own Araragi doll now!"



So all this time Oshino was in Antarctica. What has he been doing there? Hanekawa went through a lot to find him and bring him back.

This was one of the best arcs so far. It really felt like a proper conclusion with Ougi's mystery finally receiving some closure and Araragi accepting the part of him that was always critical of him and made him doubtful. It was nice to see Nadeko is doing better now and Tsukihi didn't fall for Ougi's bait during their conversation about their real identities and people who depend on others. Nisio just had to slip a toothbrush scene reference in Karen's scene, didn't he? XD. Hanekawa is back in town and Senjougahara is now on a first-name basis with Araragi. The only thing Shinobu wanted at the end of all of this was just to reestablish her link with Araragi, which says a lot about how close they've gotten throughout the whole series. From what we see in Hanamonogatari, it looks like Ougi is no longer trying to cause trouble after this. Hachikuji is also now the new god of the shrine. I think that ties up nearly every loose end, at least as far as the main story is concerned. I look forward to the aftermath when Zokuowari inevitably gets adapted (and hopefully the rest too).
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I forgot how much i missed this show, but if it does end here, i have no complaints. Its extremely satisfying.
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If this is how it ends, I can feel satisfied with it. However the show is still listing as ? for total number of episodes, and it feels like there could be more stories to come(not to mention after finishing the 3rd episode I don't get a series completion award.). I am relieved Araragi-kun became a quasi vampire again, Shinobu-chan would be lonely and probably end the world in 50-60years. The girl at the end... anyone know who that is supposed to be?

On a side note I was impressed that for almost half the episode I felt on the verge of tears even though it wasn't necessarily a sad portrayal of events. The writing was phenomenal and I would argue the series as a whole is one of the best Anime out there regarding art, storytelling, intrigue, and capturing the audience.

EDIT: Ah by the way for anyone who was wondering... if you look back at Surguru Devil section Araragi-Kun is attending college with Hitagi0chan so he must have passed his entrance exams. A bit annoyed we didn't get to see Hitagi ostracizing him for w/e score he got but cant be helped.


Technically, there is one more story that is tied to this main arc; Zoku Owarimonogatari which only is one little story. Then there is the Monogatari: Off season (4-5 books) and the Monogatari: Monster Season (6+ books?).

The real question is if Shaft will choose to continue animating the side stories after they do Zoku Owarimonogatari. Considering how much they make on the monogatari series, I would be more surprised if they don't make them.

On another note, while the off season is not really an arc in the main story (it mostly focuses on the side characters), the monster season could be considered a part of the main story since it continues to follow Araragi for the most part (haven't really read any of it yet so don't quote me on that). I know there was a time when Nisio Isin wanted to make a season called "Monogatari: next season" and supposedly that turned into the monster season arc. I guess it would not be surprising for both Nisio Isin and Shaft to want to keep writing and animating more stories surrounding these characters and this world.


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So all this time Oshino was in Antarctica. What has he been doing there? Hanekawa went through a lot to find him and bring him back.
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They didn't really go into detail on it but the reason Oshino was over on Antarctica and Kagenui was at the north pole is because there are no oddities there. Ougi basically sent them there because Araragi was feeling guilty about always relying on the various specialists for help. Subconsciously, he felt that he was cheating by doing so. Ougi had also created a barrier that surrounded the town and that kept the other specialists out as well, aside from Gaen who could come in because she used Kokorowatari to cut through the barrier.

When Hanekawa said that everything was opposite of what she thought it would be, she was referring to the fact that she could not find neither Kagenui nor Oshino in areas with a lot of oddities and she had to go to a place without any to actually find them.

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They didn't really go into detail on it but the reason Oshino was over on Antarctica and Kagenui was at the north pole is because there are no oddities there. Ougi basically sent them there because Araragi was feeling guilty about always relying on the various specialists for help. Subconsciously, he felt that he was cheating by doing so. Ougi had also created a barrier that surrounded the town and that kept the other specialists out as well, aside from Gaen who could come in because she used Kokorowatari to cut through the barrier.

When Hanekawa said that everything was opposite of what she thought it would be, she was referring to the fact that she could not find neither Kagenui nor Oshino in areas with a lot of oddities and she had to go to a place without any to actually find them.


I see. Thanks for explaining. I guess it was one of the things Shaft couldn't fit into the amount of time they were given for the episodes.
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abeltensro wrote:

They didn't really go into detail on it but the reason Oshino was over on Antarctica and Kagenui was at the north pole is because there are no oddities there. Ougi basically sent them there because Araragi was feeling guilty about always relying on the various specialists for help. Subconsciously, he felt that he was cheating by doing so. Ougi had also created a barrier that surrounded the town and that kept the other specialists out as well, aside from Gaen who could come in because she used Kokorowatari to cut through the barrier.

When Hanekawa said that everything was opposite of what she thought it would be, she was referring to the fact that she could not find neither Kagenui nor Oshino in areas with a lot of oddities and she had to go to a place without any to actually find them.


I see. Thanks for explaining. I guess it was one of the things Shaft couldn't fit into the amount of time they were given for the episodes.


Yeah I was fairly surprised that they left some of that stuff out. There are a few other minor details that they removed as well but the episode more or less follows the book word to word aside from those small details.

Edit: On another tangent, I wonder if Shaft will eventually decide to remaster everything in a movie format (sort of like what they did with Madoka). There are some rather stark differences in character design and presentation from the Kizumonogatari movies and the final Owarimonogatari arc (as well as all of the other TV episodes). For instance the meeting of Araragi and Kiss-shot as well as some of the character designs. Though maybe due to the amount of content, they will reframe from such an undertaking.
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Yeah they went back to how Araragi found Kiss-shot was shown originally in Bakemonogatari, obviously how the story gets told for the movies ( remember it's Araragi telling the tale, and at the end he says tongue in cheek he'll never tell it) was changed for artistic reasons. Don't believe everything you see in this series, the narrators aren't always reliable. Such as Kaiki narrating Koimonogatari and adding his death at the end when we see in Hana he didn't die ( and obviously couldn't be narrating if he was)
Just another nod to the New Wave French films Shaft uses for inspiration on this series and another reason I love it.
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For like half of the entire arc Shinobu was like "yay I have my own Araragi doll now!"


The switching back and forth between Gaen holding Yotsugi and Kiss-shot holding Araragi was hilarious as was the look Hachikuji was giving him LOL

(And just for reference Kiss-shot is nearly 6ft tall while Araragi is only 5'5")

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I forgot how, at times, this should could induce epilepsy. But I still like it. I just wish the text wouldn't flash by so fast.
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Who needs a guestpass to watch this incredible finale?! PM me if you want one!
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I can't help to wonder... Did anyone get an achievement after that last episode? I usually get an anime convert achievement every time I reach an end of an anime.

Leaves me to believe there might be a bit more. Or at least I hope because those 3 episodes were flawless! Love this series so much.
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I can't help to wonder... Did anyone get an achievement after that last episode? I usually get an anime convert achievement every time I reach an end of an anime.

Leaves me to believe there might be a bit more. Or at least I hope because those 3 episodes were flawless! Love this series so much.


I agree I dont think its just 3 eps...

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Technically it was 7 episodes made into 3 specials, and Zokuowarimonogatari is actually the final book of Final Season, which has Koyomi Reverse so perhaps that will be the last episode, since Shaft seems to still be animating more after this.
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Is this the end of the monogatari series??? If it is i will be so sad.
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Is this the end of the monogatari series??? If it is i will be so sad.


No there's a lot more. Just the end of Koyomi's youth.
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Well, I've been thinking I've been Tanya for long enough, but I didn't expect I'd end up switching to Ougi. An anthropomorphization of our own doubts about and criticisms of ourselves; that's a cool character, and kind of reminds you of Freudian psychology. Nietzsche would say that having such a thing makes one interesting.


I suppose I learned the same lesson a while ago: I used to beat myself up about all my mistakes the same way. I still do, but now I forgive myself more, and laugh at myself; puts things in perspective, and helps when life hurts. Anyway.

That wasn't a bad way to tie things up, and I enjoyed this last season. All the background music was really good - it really heightened the tension and sadness surrounding Ougi, and it also managed to be really happy in the scene with Nadeko. I was hoping we'd get to see her doing well.
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