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Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/22/17
With Crunchyroll Expo coming around very soon I'd like to bring something to everyone's attention. I sent the following email to Crunchyroll but they ignored it:

"Hello,
I am not sure if you are aware but Digibro, one of your guests at Crunchyroll Expo, recently made this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSZDkF0YTRo. It is a disgusting video where he states that [site that shall not be named] and other illegal streaming websites provide a better service than legal ones. I find it very disturbing that you are covering the expenses of a creator to appear at your convention when he supports piracy. This is especially wrong when you have such strict anti-piracy rules for your exhibitors and artists at the con. As a paying Crunchyroll subscriber, I find this totally unacceptable. For this reason, I have decided not to attend. Please consider removing him as a guest from the convention."

I will personally be boycotting the event and I suggest you do the same. Supporting this individual, no even worse COVERING HIS EXPENSES is unacceptable. It is completely hypocritical that Crunchyroll strictly prohibits piracy of any kind as stated here: http://crunchyrollexpo.com/policies/ yet somehow is allowing Digibro to attend.


What do you guys think?
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Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/21/17
But its true. And its a very fair criticism.

Seems odd to boycott and event because you disagree with a guest.
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Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/21/17
Way to stand by your position!
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Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/22/17
He doesn't support piracy, stop twisting his words. It's ok if you disagree with him, but the fact remains that piracy websites offer every anime region free, and many people will use them when an anime is not available in their region, or unlicensed (ex: Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei is unlicensed, Nodame Cantabile is unavailable outside of New Zealand). When he said piracy websites offer a better experience, this is what he meant. He also says in his video that he will watch an anime on a source that looks official, and if none are available, then he will pirate. AKA the exact thing hundreds of thousands of people are doing right now to watch 2 of the most popular shows this season - Kakegurui and Fate/Apocrypha. The main point of his video was to inform people as to why so many anime fans choose to pirate anime, and through that he admitted to having to pirate to watch some shows that English speakers have no legal way of watching. Hope this helped clear things up for you.
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Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/22/17
In the case of Amazon and Netflix, Digi's not really wrong.
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Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/21/17
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somehow, i was able to sit through the entire video. it was cringeworthy at best, and even as someone who sometimes watch anime through other means, his points are mostly still BS.

he claims paying for a subscription is meaningles because the creators receive a negligible amount from your monthly subscription. while this is true per individuals, once you consider that CR surpassed 1 million paid subscribers, the creators do actually receive a sizeable amount from subscribers. maybe not as much as people buying anime merchandise in Japan, but it's still significant. clearly they saw value in online streaming services, which is why Crunchyroll et al were able to even secure rights to stream certain anime.

i agree that animators are underpaid, but using that as an excuse to watch illegally is a very shaky argument at best. anime companies aren't going to raise animators wages because someone decided to watch anime illegally. at most, they'll cancel the series, and the pirated series will be on hiatus, and in the worst case the animators will be booted out.
what an excellent way of showing your support to the animators!

his claim of being fluent in Japanese made my eyes roll, but i guess some people really do think they learned Japanese after watching a ton of anime.

he claims that no-one wants to buy blurays. to a certain extent, he's right due to high prices for non-licensed titles, but this is, of course, still bs.

he complains that anime episodes are only released in a per-week basis, which shows his deep and thorough understanding of anime production / sarcasm

the only thing that he has a point to some extent is Amazon asking prime subscribers to pay more for anime strike, but otherwise..eh.
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Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/21/17
Banning criticism is a really bad idea and fostering self-censorship is just as bad.

The fact is that, at least in certain ways and for certain people, the service they get is not as good as that offered by illegal streaming services. If people were banned from CR for pointing out which parts of the service they found inferior, they would most likely get their joy from those same illegal streaming sites.

CR have their hands very much tied by the licensing deals they are offered. (*Seriously. How can anyone actually believe that an online streaming service would WANT to not offer services to your region?) This doesn't mean that they shouldn't try to get better deals, nor that we should not point out which points matter more to us as the customers.

Let me give an example. I have noticed that CR doesn't work properly when you run Firefox on Linux, at least in every (recent) configuration I've tried. My most recent test does stream video but if you right-click to change something, Flash crashes. This is Adobe's fault, not CR's (it isn't specific to this site). However, people may leave (or more likely never join) because of it. (Chromium works just fine, in case anyone is wondering.) It would be really nice if CR could get deals to serve shows over something like HTML5 and then spend the money to do the conversion--depending on the order of priority versus other matters. Leaving Flash is not cheap or simple, especially since that means maintaining two parallel systems (three if you count the mobile app, which I know nothing about) for at least some period.

So we need to give constructive feedback on which things matter to us, then they must decide how many users are affected and to what degree, and how much it will cost to change. That is ultimately a business decision.
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Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/21/17
Honestly, I think you are being petty, and that your reaction is a bit extreme; however, it's your decision to boycott.

I do believe it is out of line to ban guests simply over their opinions of piracy, particularly when they disclose their opinions on their own time. I also think you're knee-jerking without breaking down what was said.

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Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/21/17
I hate to play backseat moderator (sorry, please feel free to delete) but I'd just like to remind everyone before they get banned of Rule 1: http://www.crunchyroll.com/library/Site_Rules

"Don't link to or name websites, fansub groups, or scanlation groups that share anime, manga, drama, music, translations, or other material they don't have permission for."
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Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/21/17

AnimeRuss wrote:


With Crunchyroll Expo coming around very soon I'd like to bring something to everyone's attention. I sent the following email to Crunchyroll but they ignored it:

"Hello,
I am not sure if you are aware but Digibro, one of your guests at Crunchyroll Expo, recently made this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSZDkF0YTRo

It is a disgusting video where he states that [site that shall not be named] and other illegal streaming websites provide a better service than legal ones. I find it very disturbing that you are covering the expenses of a creator to appear at your convention when he supports piracy. This is especially wrong when you have such strict anti-piracy rules for your exhibitors and artists at the con. As a paying Crunchyroll subscriber, I find this totally unacceptable. For this reason, I have decided not to attend. Please consider removing him as a guest from the convention."

I will personally be boycotting the event and I suggest you do the same. Supporting this individual, no even worse COVERING HIS EXPENSES is unacceptable. It is completely hypocritical that Crunchyroll strictly prohibits piracy of any kind as stated here: http://crunchyrollexpo.com/policies/ yet somehow is allowing Digibro to attend.

What do you guys think?


I guess [site that shall not be named] should be thanking you for the publicity. It's sad when a pirate/fansub site is better than a legal site, but it's the fact.

There are so many restrictions when it comes to licensing so unless they find a way to loosen the restrictions, sites like that will continue to exist. Why ? Can you find all the series you want on sites like Crunchyroll or Funimation? Instead of 3-4 sites, how about 1 site for all series ? All the exclusive licensing for anime series is annoying and counterproductive imo.

If you love a studio/author, please do support them if you can afford it or it's available in your area. If not, do what you want--- at least spread the love of anime/manga around
Posted 8/16/17 , edited 8/21/17
Neat.
But I do agree with digibro so here's hoping he still is able to go
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Posted 8/19/17 , edited 8/21/17
It's true that CR has a horrible services, what i feel it's a fanatism to CR from you, and the expos and other things are their strategies to gain fans.

I've just cancelled my subscrition and gone back to my old ways, just because i can even watch an entire eipsode, buffering problems at certain hour ranges, so it's an infrastructural problem.

It's not like i love pirating, i subscribed because i wanted to support the anime industry, i don't want to pay to a company that doesn't care the customer they have and focus to get more customer without fixing any problems they have.

And i feel hypocrecy from you telling to ban someone because you don't like it. That was his thought in another place with his opinion. What are you saying is like if you say you hate mcdonalds and someone call mcdonalds and tell them to ban you...
Posted 8/19/17 , edited 8/21/17

AnimeRuss wrote:

It is a disgusting video where he states that ********* and other illegal streaming websites provide a better service than legal ones.



In all fairness.... The darkside did had the final episode of Grimoire of Zero uploaded according to the simulcast schedule, It took Amazon prime Canada 3 weeks for them to do so which seems to be a continuous trend with their anime exclusives. Its also hard to compete with someone that doesn't pay licensing fees and has practically nearly most all anime shows on their site, personally i try to support legal streaming services but even with multiple subscriptions i am lured to the darkside (stares at Netflix and Amazon).

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Posted 8/19/17 , edited 8/21/17

loremipsumdolor wrote:

I hate to play backseat moderator (sorry, please feel free to delete) but I'd just like to remind everyone before they get banned of Rule 1: http://www.crunchyroll.com/library/Site_Rules

"Don't link to or name websites, fansub groups, or scanlation groups that share anime, manga, drama, music, translations, or other material they don't have permission for."


Thanks for reminding folks.

I've edited a few posts to comply with CR's rule, and deleted one.
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