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Post Reply An open letter to Crunchyroll Expo
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Posted 8/19/17 , edited 8/22/17
I don't like the guy and there are quite a few programming selections I don't appreciate as much, but the Con is there to entertain. Just don't attend those events.

I frankly would prefer his popularity buzz to end so we don't wind up with Anime culture getting cluttered with opinionated e-celebs telling us what sucks or not. We've gone for decades without it and we don't need it now.

But we don't need to run any of them out of town.
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Posted 8/19/17 , edited 8/22/17
This is a tough one... on one hand I realize how expensive and difficult it would be for any streaming service to legally acquire every show. However piracy pretty much doesn't pay anyone other then maybe advertisers.... What the person in the video says has merit and something I think the industry needs to heed. however at least IMO for all its downfalls I think CR has done a pretty darn good job getting loads of Anime and even partnering with Funimation and VRV project. I personally think CR is doing a much better job trying to provide as much content for subscribers then any other legal site I have seen hands down. However there will always be 1 or 2 shows that CR doesnt have that you want to watch. This is where it gets kind of murky for me. I personally dont want to have 10 subscriptions(I am being overly dramatic) to be able to ensure I can watch quality shows each season. Its not practical or cost effective. For me it just means I lose out on whats probably good content. I would love to see Koi to Uso but alas i will have to wait until licensing loosens up or buy the blu ray/DVD and hope its not crap.
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I'm protesting because it's in Cali. Screw Cali.
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Posted 8/20/17 , edited 8/22/17

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I guess [site that shall not be named] should be thanking you for the publicity. It's sad when a pirate/fansub site is better than a legal site, but it's the fact.

There are so many restrictions when it comes to licensing so unless they find a way to loosen the restrictions, sites like that will continue to exist. Why ? Can you find all the series you want on sites like Crunchyroll or Funimation? Instead of 3-4 sites, how about 1 site for all series ? All the exclusive licensing for anime series is annoying and counterproductive imo.

If you love a studio/author, please do support them if you can afford it or it's available in your area. If not, do what you want--- at least spread the love of anime/manga around


site that shall not be named?
you put like that dulun18? or it was edited?

one of the mod here a Harry plobber fan or something?

the link to the video talking about the site is still there--- I think they will send the OP a thank you for directing more traffic to their site
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Posted 8/20/17 , edited 8/22/17

AnimeRuss wrote:

With Crunchyroll Expo coming around very soon I'd like to bring something to everyone's attention. I sent the following email to Crunchyroll but they ignored it:

"Hello,
I am not sure if you are aware but Digibro, one of your guests at Crunchyroll Expo, recently made this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSZDkF0YTRo. It is a disgusting video where he states that [site that shall not be named] and other illegal streaming websites provide a better service than legal ones. I find it very disturbing that you are covering the expenses of a creator to appear at your convention when he supports piracy. This is especially wrong when you have such strict anti-piracy rules for your exhibitors and artists at the con. As a paying Crunchyroll subscriber, I find this totally unacceptable. For this reason, I have decided not to attend. Please consider removing him as a guest from the convention."

I will personally be boycotting the event and I suggest you do the same. Supporting this individual, no even worse COVERING HIS EXPENSES is unacceptable. It is completely hypocritical that Crunchyroll strictly prohibits piracy of any kind as stated here: http://crunchyrollexpo.com/policies/ yet somehow is allowing Digibro to attend.


What do you guys think?


Piracy is disgusting, and everyone who frequent said sites deserves to have their eyes gouged out before being drawn and quartered in front of their immediate family.

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Seriously, when we use words like "disgusting" to describe an act I feel is overall trifling, all I have to ask is "really"? I feel it is trifling, since it is hardly all that harmful in terms of potential profit, which is a contested value in itself, often from studies that are subjected to bias from the sponsors in order to push the message that piracy is "bad".

Even if one considers it a combined evil arising from banality, the West is hardly the market that Japan is, nor does not purchasing a membership prevent one from supporting in other ways, particularly when $7 a month is hardly any cents, and the $20 million from memberships raked in mostly goes to those who have enough, versus the apparent slipshod conditions of many animation studios and the people who produce the anime.

It is possible that my information is incorrect, but I think it is worthwhile if your zeal is spent elsewhere. After all, piracy isn't the physical removal that stealing is, but a type of indirect filesharing at worst, that I do not see operating any differently than a free user watching an HD Rabbit Stream with a friend, or lending a video game to your next door neighbor to borrow, which does not seem all that different, really. Both may appear to dig into profits, but I would hardly say it is a moral wrong, much less deserving of legal punishments. (Although piracy sites and its host are the ones being raided, not those who use them)

Based on what you said, he stated somewhat of a factual claim than any actual support.


AnimeRuss wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSZDkF0YTRo. It is a disgusting video where he states that [site that shall not be named] and other illegal streaming websites provide a better service than legal ones.


This may be true, depending on how you define better. Many sites offer no regional restrictions, comparably fast simulcast postings of the latest streams with great subbing quality, with High Definition being the norm, alongside downloading options.

That sounds true to me in terms of service, while CR only exists because of their legality, and thus direct support of the industry. However, I feel their service is slipping in quality. Heck, I can access HD streams on accident as a free user, merely by refreshing, while others are unable to cancel their services and are charged unjustly.

Edit: I apologize if I seem rude, I just dislike the zealous use of the word "Disgusting" as I see it. I think it is an exaggeration of a minor thing, comparatively and by itself. I think if you can and are satisfied to, then one should support, but I find such outright..."intolerance" display to be worst than piracy, but this is only in reference to one word, and to an extent your actions.

I do think moral piety and principles should extend to all areas of life. Perhaps I am a bit paranoid due to how large corporation have such a large influence, and from personal experience, I often argued against piracy, but I have been browbeaten enough times to consider the question beyond what those Public Service Adverts tells me. Even if the solution does appear more logical, it hurts when people reach it because others told them to ad nauseam. I find that frightening.
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Posted 8/20/17 , edited 8/22/17

namealreadytaken wrote:

somehow, i was able to sit through the entire video. it was cringeworthy at best, and even as someone who sometimes watch anime through other means, his points are mostly still BS.

he claims paying for a subscription is meaningles because the creators receive a negligible amount from your monthly subscription. while this is true per individuals, once you consider that CR surpassed 1 million paid subscribers, the creators do actually receive a sizeable amount from subscribers. maybe not as much as people buying anime merchandise in Japan, but it's still significant. clearly they saw value in online streaming services, which is why Crunchyroll et al were able to even secure rights to stream certain anime.

i agree that animators are underpaid, but using that as an excuse to watch illegally is a very shaky argument at best. anime companies aren't going to raise animators wages because someone decided to watch anime illegally. at most, they'll cancel the series, and the pirated series will be on hiatus, and in the worst case the animators will be booted out.
what an excellent way of showing your support to the animators!

his claim of being fluent in Japanese made my eyes roll, but i guess some people really do think they learned Japanese after watching a ton of anime.

he claims that no-one wants to buy blurays. to a certain extent, he's right due to high prices for non-licensed titles, but this is, of course, still bs.

he complains that anime episodes are only released in a per-week basis, which shows his deep and thorough understanding of anime production / sarcasm

the only thing that he has a point to some extent is Amazon asking prime subscribers to pay more for anime strike, but otherwise..eh.


It depends. It is the same argument you should not buy goods from people who are essentially slaves working for pennies, or why we do not give aid to North Korea. It may trickle down to the people at the bottom, but it is also the means of keeping such a system up, such as what blood diamonds are believed to be.

The conditions for animators may not be good, but it is meaningless when the execs cannot figure out the reason why. Is it disinterest, a moral stance, etc? I have to agree there, but this digs into how the Japanese work culture operates.
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Posted 8/20/17 , edited 8/22/17
the best subs ive read are always pirate. and half the time are up faster.
i hate to say it, but paid services are sub par, when put against people's passion.
tho cr's subs have gotten better.
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Posted 8/20/17 , edited 8/22/17
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site that shall not be named?
you put like that dulun18? or it was edited?

one of the mod here a Harry plobber fan or something?

the link to the video talking about the site is still there--- I think they will send the OP a thank you for directing more traffic to their site



i think a mod edited by post without giving a pm stating they did that

it's time to kiss your anime good bye?
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Posted 8/20/17 , edited 8/22/17
My opinion is that whatever this "Digibro" is doing, it's none of your business. If you want to avoid him and not attend the convention, that's fine.But trying to publicly shame him and get him banned from the convention is weak.
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Posted 8/20/17 , edited 8/22/17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA53wS06Cp4

Better video from a game who came up with the exact same video topic 4 days before Digibro, of which Digibro also called out several other Youtuber months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkkminwseh4 - Digibro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd2QTRfx1XY - Gigguk response


Most likely, Digibro didn't even think of the idea himself and I can't stand to watch his biased videos seems always seem to be a rant for 40 minutes instead of getting to the point in 10 minutes.
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Posted 8/21/17 , edited 8/22/17
O_o.... does the OP not know the origins of Crunchyroll?
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Posted 8/22/17 , edited 8/22/17

anti-freeze wrote:

O_o.... does the OP not know the origins of Crunchyroll?


Bring back the glory days where we, the users, uploaded pirated anime for all to enjoy.

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Posted 8/22/17 , edited 8/23/17

spensaur wrote:Bring back the glory days where we, the users, uploaded pirated anime for all to enjoy.
We all cried on the day when they decided that anime should cost money

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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/23/17

dulun18 wrote:



i think a mod edited by post without giving a pm stating they did that

it's time to kiss your anime good bye?


It's probably the guy with the bald head avatar. He's the only one doing the modding around here. You probably weren't here when they have that hate space thread.. i meant safe space..

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