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Post Reply An open letter to Crunchyroll Expo
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/23/17
He is right from the perspective of a anime fan to other anime fans, but in the viewpoint of commerce he is being used and he himself do not realize it.

Crunchyroll began as a illegal anime and video game web stream as soon it dropped the ilegal stream the web ranking dropped.

2010-Crunchyroll legalized all they could in North America, and battle with funimation,

In 2012-2013 Crunchyroll in order to expand to Latin America, there was an obstacle, a website called McAnime, back it was the major selling point of Fansubs Crunchyroll made a agreement for money, McAnime would show only Crunchyroll legal anime and the rest which was not licensed could be show on that illegal webpage.

The overwhelming presence of Crunchyroll made this webpage close down.

Crunchyroll major strategy is to show to anime streamers that there is an alternative, the consumer don't even know they want.
Mixing adds with this kind of people get a better result than censoring.

and off curse illegal anime got more anime in comparison to what is legally available.
"Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," Gabe Newell
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Perhaps is you elaborated and explained why that particular point was irrelevant that would have been a good development of the discussion. Also, that was a poorly constructed point on my part. The thing that I was trying to get at is the fact that Crunchyroll and other such services are lacking in the amount of anime that is available on them. Say, for example, I wanted to watch Kill la Kill, but oh wait, region blocking dictates otherwise, which results in me not being able to watch a show on the service that I pay monthly for. So what am I to do? Most people would mount their moral high-horse and say "buy the blu-ray" what? So I'm supposed to buy something that I can't afford and do not want in order to retain the morality which I care so deeply about? And that right there is the problem, no one is going to buy a blu-ray when they can just watch the show elsewhere, for free, not everyone is a morally sound, benevolent figure with endless pockets to splurge on pricey blu-ray copies just so they can sleep at night, that isn't the way the world works.

Basically, the anime industry needs to have some serious work done to it to solve this problem (get rid of region blocking for starters), also services such as Crunchyroll need to improve to prevent this from happening and hopefully increase the amount of people who actually pay for this site (watch Digibro's video to further point I'm trying to make). Hopefully this gives you more to work with.
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sorry I was editing my comment, didn't realize someone read it that fast.
Basically Crunchyroll bought that guy in as that social media selling machine, of curse to reach more people.
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/23/17

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

God fucking damn it, I cannot even quote the post Kadmos1 had or edit it properly. My message outside of said quotes won't show when I edit, and I cannot even get the full list, never mind the entire quote.

Spoiler quotes man, you need spoiler quotes.


Kadmos1 just broke the system is all. If you check the list it stops midway through R, meaning that a large amount of text covering the rest of the alphabet was cut off.

If you quote the message and cut the list down a bit more there should be room for you to add a response. However, do you need to quote the list to respond?


I was attempting to spoiler it for a point, but there is a limit? I see. Thanks for telling.
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Posted 8/23/17

MidoriNoTora wrote:

ronchester44, I was just comparing your "point" to a real world situation to highlight the relative ethics of the what you were saying. By my definition that is furthering the discussion. However if you want to descend to the level of name calling then don't let me stop you.


The idea of piracy and file sharing can get pretty muddled. It can be compared to the idea of lending a physical copy of Halo to your friend, which everyone mocked Microsoft for attempting to do with X-Box, including Sony, in this infamous video.

https://youtu.be/kWSIFh8ICaA

The main difference here is that physical distribution is not the problem with file loading, but the suggested loss of profit companies stand to lose, or claim to. Which is basic, but I think the problem is more than just "Why buy it when I can have it for free?"
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Rubbish, the whole "if the animators don't directly get all my money than piracy is good alternative" angle is nothing but a sad attempt of an excuse. It is simple, if the "big evil corporate" company doesn't get profits,surprise surprise, neither will the animators! That'll teach em', right...?!
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Only reason I watch those so call illegal site is because they have old anime that noone carry anymore. Also what I don't get is CR never once got our favorite Anime which is Fist of the Blue Sky (Fist of the North Star) Set primarily in Shanghai during the 1930s, the series centers on the 62nd successor of the Hokuto Shinken martial arts style, Kenshiro Kasumi, the namesake and predecessor of Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star. The manga was adapted into a 26-episode anime series that aired on TV Asahi from 2006 to 2007.


I understand that they cannot get every Anime there is. Since not all of us are living in Japan, will miss out this wonderful Anime.. So there no other choice but view it in other site that are call Illegal site. Otherwise we would watch it on here (legal site).
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Posted 8/23/17

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O_o.... does the OP not know the origins of Crunchyroll?

Indeed. CR started as a pirate/fan sub streaming site that went legit. While the fall 2008 season is when they were adding more legal simulcasts, I think it was around Thanksgiving 2008 when they started to remove the episode links. Today, if you type in 1 of the following 3609 titles in the Search bar, it will display the title but that page will say "Note: There are no videos for this Series. This page is only for discussion and informational purposes."
O_o... I guess I was making a point that at minimum CR is not completely against the idea of piracy. That was the point that I was trying to make. Simply removing someone for having a belief is not really a good reason to remove anyone. Especially if that person is providing a good quality product.

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I swear I had a post in here but it's gone....
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I swear I had a post in here but it's gone....


it's the usual thing around this forums-- posts just disappear for no questionable reason-- i guess someone didn't like what you said ?

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Posted 8/28/17 , edited 8/28/17

MonologueWolf wrote:

Rubbish, the whole "if the animators don't directly get all my money than piracy is good alternative" angle is nothing but a sad attempt of an excuse. It is simple, if the "big evil corporate" company doesn't get profits,surprise surprise, neither will the animators! That'll teach em', right...?!


Not sure how to feel, though I think it is important to buy. Honestly, I do not think many people care, and it comes off as a false moral proselytizing, if I used the word correctly. I just wanted to state a point against the OP for being so dogmatic and overreacting.

That being said, as a whole, I find the general argument to be valid if the circumstances are just, such as not buying to support what is basically slavery. A great deal of places work on this absurd principles, where despite being forced into labor by gun and by chain, they are "paid", if but in literal pennies. I think it is still very much slavery, no matter if the wage is "existent". (This is an extreme example, but Japan does have some mediocre work practices and all. Konami gets a great deal of crap due to how they treat their employees, for instance, past and current.)

There is also the North Korea argument, and as a whole, one could expand it to the "trading with terrorist" logic. It basically amounts to not supporting a company and thus its practices, if but to stop prolonging the belief for said company that "it works".

Sorry, I just like the argument in general. I hope I do not offend you.
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Posted 8/28/17
Looks like Digibro posted a video of the panel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJepLfknxf0
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Posted 8/28/17

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bobland wrote:

I swear I had a post in here but it's gone....


it's the usual thing around this forums-- posts just disappear for no questionable reason-- i guess someone didn't like what you said ?



It wouldn't be that bad if I got a notification that my post was removed
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Posted 8/28/17

bobland wrote:


AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:


bobland wrote:

I swear I had a post in here but it's gone....


it's the usual thing around this forums-- posts just disappear for no questionable reason-- i guess someone didn't like what you said ?



It wouldn't be that bad if I got a notification that my post was removed


Mass deletions are often done to remove large array of posts, but it usually leads to many others being deleted regardless of content, just for being in a sex of perceived inappropriateness. You may not have done anything wrong, it just happened to be posted at the wrong time and place.
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