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President Donald J. Trump. Those letters in that order raises the blood pressure of every liberal on the planet, much to the delight of conservatives. Most conservatives are happy with his performance thus far. Most realize a lot of his policy goals and campaign promises rely on Congress. The Senate in particular is a body that needs improvement as it currently harbors RINOs that would rather see gridlock for the rest of the 2-year term.

The people that voted for him in November are the same that turned out for the 4 special elections since. Enthusiasm is still high among his base and that is thanks to his engagement with them.

The man is far from perfect and a large part of what got him the presidency was that he wasn't Hillary Clinton.

So here are some of my criticisms of the President that I'd hope to see corrected by the time 2020 rolls around.

1. They didn't like you then, don't expect them to like you now. One thing Trump loves to do is point out he isn't getting a fair shake from the media. When you look at the giant list of Clinton endorsements it shouldn't come as a surprise.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-endorsements-newspaper-editorial-board-president-2016-2016-9

They hate him and want the rest of the country to feel the same way. He needs to get over it. He has a platform bigger than any of them and shouldn't sink to their level every time an opportunity presents itself. He needs to stop reacting to every attempt to bait him.

2. Half the country wants you to go down in flames. He needs to accept that he can't please everyone but he still needs to work with their elected officials. He needs to sit Ryan, McConnel, Pelosi and Schumer in a room and identify what can be worked on without the threat of political hostage taking or razor thin votes.

3. Better planning, more control. One thing Obama did really well was make it seem all was well and everything that happened was planned, planned for or being dealt with. Obama's White House had the PR messaging of a Fortune 500 company. Trump's White House is amateurish by comparison. Constant staff changes, leaks and contradictions. God-forbid someone got close to tactical information that could endanger lives, currently Trump's administration seems powerless to stop it.

4. Shag your wife. When you are feeling frustrated go into her chambers and get some. Blow off some steam. Trump actually has one hell of a team around him in the key roles and Pence is more than capable of running things while he gathers his thoughts and comes back with an epiphany on how to move forward with his policy.

5. It's dead Jim. You won, move on.

6. Stay focused.


Given Trump's celebrity background there is no wonder he wants to be the center of attention. Always combative, always commenting. It's good to show you he is engaged but sometimes focusing on the task before you is better than being a part of every conversation.

Distracting and slowing him down was a opposition tactic from the start. Every time he chases the new shiny thing he plays to the opposition party's hands. They are called the opposition party for a reason.

7. If Congress doesn't want to play ball, do it yourself and let the courts figure it out. It's slow, dictatorial and has the potential to backfire but it'll show he is serious about completing the agenda the country sent him to Washington to carry out.


Well that's it. Those are the things I would criticize the president for if I had his ear.
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I'd try talking to him if I could, but I'm not sure I could adjust my speaking level to a low enough point that he could understand. And I used to work with non-English speaking Kindergarteners.
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Curiously absent from the list: Stop defending Nazis.



MysticGon wrote:
President Donald J. Trump. Those letters in that order raises the blood pressure of every liberal on the planet, much to the delight of conservatives. Most conservatives are happy with his performance thus far.


Trolling is not governing.



MysticGon wrote:Enthusiasm is still high among his base and that is thanks to his engagement with them.


He hit both a new record low approval and new record high disapproval over the weekend. His remaining base is insufficient to win a general election.



MysticGon wrote:The man is far from perfect and a large part of what got him the presidency was that he wasn't Hillary Clinton.


Right, and how's that turning out? >.>




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1. They didn't like you then, don't expect them to like you now. One thing Trump loves to do is point out he isn't getting a fair shake from the media. When you look at the giant list of Clinton endorsements it shouldn't come as a surprise.


They loved him to begin with because he was a ratings magnet. Once they stopped sucking the spectacle of his dick 24/7 he started lashing out at them like a spoiled child. It shouldn't come as a surprise because of his behaviour.

And he will never get over it. If you haven't noticed he has a pathological need for external validation and when he doesn't get it he throws temper tantrums on Twitter.




MysticGon wrote:2. Half the country wants you to go down in flames. He needs to accept that he can't please everyone but he still needs to work with their elected officials. He needs to sit Ryan, McConnel, Pelosi and Schumer in a room and identify what can be worked on without the threat of political hostage taking or razor thin votes.


More than half and he's already going down in flames.



MysticGon wrote:3. Better planning, more control. One thing Obama did really well was make it seem all was well and everything that happened was planned, planned for or being dealt with. Obama's White House had the PR messaging of a Fortune 500 company. Trump's White House is amateurish by comparison. Constant staff changes, leaks and contradictions. God-forbid someone got close to tactical information that could endanger lives, currently Trump's administration seems powerless to stop it.


This is because Obama was a grown up. Which use to be a prerequisite for the office of the President.




MysticGon wrote:4. Shag your wife. When you are feeling frustrated go into her chambers and get some. Blow off some steam. Trump actually has one hell of a team around him in the key roles and Pence is more than capable of running things while he gathers his thoughts and comes back with an epiphany on how to move forward with his policy.


Frankly they have less of a marriage and more of a contract. It's also been pretty clear that Melania wanted nothing to do with being the First Lady. She just wanted to raise her son back in NYC.




MysticGon wrote:5. It's dead Jim. You won, move on.


Agreed.




MysticGon wrote:6. Stay focused.

Given Trump's celebrity background there is no wonder he wants to be the center of attention. Always combative, always commenting. It's good to show you he is engaged but sometimes focusing on the task before you is better than being a part of every conversation.

Distracting and slowing him down was a opposition tactic from the start. Every time he chases the new shiny thing he plays to the opposition party's hands. They are called the opposition party for a reason.


He was like this prior to his celebrity background. There's nothing new here. Anyone who thought he would turn a corner and somehow become presidential if he was elected never looked at his history. He is who he is and he isn't going to change now.

98% of Trump's harm is self inflicted. It has nothing to do with the "opposition party". The GOP controls all 3 branches of government. If they still can't get their shit together it has nothing to do with the Democrats. Trump creates controversies for himself without anyone else's help ( Claiming Obama wiretapped him with help from the UK, threatening Comey with "tapes", etc ) then puts them to rest after they've already done far too much damage.




MysticGon wrote:7. If Congress doesn't want to play ball, do it yourself and let the courts figure it out. It's slow, dictatorial and has the potential to backfire but it'll show he is serious about completing the agenda the country sent him to Washington to carry out.


It would backfire spectacularly as Congress wouldn't stand for it.

Also, what agenda? He has no agenda beyond "Do the opposite of everything Obama did". Everything else is meaningless platitudes he has no idea how to accomplish or has done a 180 on after someone sat him down and explained the topic to him. He's making everything up as he goes along which is half the reason the White House is in constant chaos to begin with. The WH staff is forever having to try and catch up with and make sense of shit he said on TV or on Twitter the day prior. Before he inevitably undercuts them a day later.




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Well that's it. Those are the things I would criticize the president for if I had his ear.


I would really, really mention the Nazi thing to him personally. ;p
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You're right, he should just resign. What's the point. Satisfied?

Well what would you say if you had his ear, I wonder.
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As long as he gets semi-logical shit done, I don't really care how much salt he farms at CNN or on Twitter. I do hope that he gets his staff under control though.
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Well what would you say if you had his ear, I wonder.

Get the hell off twitter. You're embarrassing the entire country.
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As long as he gets semi-logical shit done, I don't really care how much salt he farms at CNN or on Twitter. I do hope that he gets his staff under control though.


That is fun to watch yes. And definitely. A lot of DC denizens has resolved to tie up anything he does in red tape and "resist" until they are caught and fired. Getting everyone in the White House at least to get on the same page is good.


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MysticGon wrote:
Well what would you say if you had his ear, I wonder.

Get the hell off twitter. You're embarrassing the entire country.


Well, not the entire country.
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Well what would you say if you had his ear, I wonder.


I'd probably be trying to stress the immediate and substantial upsurge in popularity he'd experience and the permanent place in US history he'd secure if he only followed his previously expressed inclinations and tried to get Congress to implement a single-payer healthcare system. He's already praised two-tier systems with heavy emphasis on the public tier and single-payer models before, so it wouldn't even be that big an ideological leap for him. He seems to be mindlessly dedicated to securing a legacy as the guy who got rid of the ACA no matter the political fallout of doing so. He need but be convinced that he could secure that legacy and avoid the fallout if he'd just listen to himself from about 20 years ago.
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Well what would you say if you had his ear, I wonder.


I'd probably be trying to stress the immediate and substantial upsurge in popularity he'd experience and the permanent place in US history he'd secure if he only followed his previously expressed inclinations and tried to get Congress to implement a single-payer healthcare system. He's already praised two-tier systems with heavy emphasis on the public tier and single-payer models before, so it wouldn't even be that big an ideological leap for him. He seems to be mindlessly dedicated to securing a legacy as the guy who got rid of the ACA no matter the political fallout of doing so. He need but be convinced that he could secure that legacy and avoid the fallout if he'd just listen to himself from about 20 years ago.


That would boost employment numbers too most likely. Now is it mandatory and heavily subsidized? If so that would be a tough sell despite how important and widely used throughout the developed world it is. How would be you get him to sell it to Congress?
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That would boost employment numbers too most likely. Now is it mandatory and heavily subsidized? If so that would be a tough sell despite how important and widely used throughout the developed world it is. How would be you get him to sell it to Congress?


Well, put simply he wouldn't be able to convince Congress to do it on its merits. He, like Sanders would've had to, would need to employ the power of the bully pulpit that the Presidency inherently carries to get it through. If the proposal was serious and not just a Trojan horse no Democrat would dare refuse to cooperate for fear of burning their grassroots to ashes, so his task would be pretty much the same as it is now (trying to corral members of the party he currently captains), only this time he'd have the general public gunning for him instead of against him. Once the benefits to his base, which is pretty reliant on the ACA's protections and would have a lot to gain from a single-payer system, began to manifest his reelection would pretty much be an inevitability.
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I do enjoy how these things basically break down into "if he wants to succeed he needs to kowtow and toe the Left's line."
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MysticGon wrote:

Well what would you say if you had his ear, I wonder.


I'd probably be trying to stress the immediate and substantial upsurge in popularity he'd experience and the permanent place in US history he'd secure if he only followed his previously expressed inclinations and tried to get Congress to implement a single-payer healthcare system. He's already praised two-tier systems with heavy emphasis on the public tier and single-payer models before, so it wouldn't even be that big an ideological leap for him. He seems to be mindlessly dedicated to securing a legacy as the guy who got rid of the ACA no matter the political fallout of doing so. He need but be convinced that he could secure that legacy and avoid the fallout if he'd just listen to himself from about 20 years ago.


Keep thinking universal healthcare is sustainable. .
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MysticGon wrote:

That would boost employment numbers too most likely. Now is it mandatory and heavily subsidized? If so that would be a tough sell despite how important and widely used throughout the developed world it is. How would be you get him to sell it to Congress?


Well, put simply he wouldn't be able to convince Congress to do it on its merits. He, like Sanders would've had to, would need to employ the power of the bully pulpit that the Presidency inherently carries to get it through. If the proposal was serious and not just a Trojan horse no Democrat would dare refuse to cooperate for fear of burning their grassroots to ashes, so his task would be pretty much the same as it is now (trying to corral members of the party he currently captains), only this time he'd have the general public gunning for him instead of against him. Once the benefits to his base, which is pretty reliant on the ACA's protections and would have a lot to gain from a single-payer system, began to manifest his reelection would pretty much be an inevitability.


Pharmaceutical lobbyists would go on Mad Max style raids chasing down the Cory Bookers of the Democratic Party. That might take the political courage of the whole city to rebuke the will of 1/6 the economy. Mix it in budget and revenues concerns from the fiscally conservative and have one of the biggest political undertakings of the century. That would definitely cement his legacy.

Lol be kind to the poster above, he knows not what he is doing.


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I do enjoy how these things basically break down into "if he wants to succeed he needs to kowtow and toe the Left's line."


Do you think things are okay as they are? If you do that's not a problem. I certainly wouldn't want him to become a pro-abortion, amnesty, socialist just to win reelection. But I think things can be better.
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