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Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/18/17

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Absolutely not, did you forget the last time the USA failed the fusion dance?



Well, no one said you can't bribe North Korea

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Posted 8/18/17

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No. US doesn't need anyone else. They are already the most powerful superpower



Why of course USA = Roman Empire! :p
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Posted 8/18/17
This is the dumbest question yet
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Posted 8/18/17
you have some strange ideas dude
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you have some strange ideas dude


I name it, the bridge above the sea, enough said
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Posted 8/18/17

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I'm pretty sure China can overthrow America.

Especially when they got Russia as bros.

They just want to see if they are stupid enough to strike first.

Hey Trump... North Korea said ur army is trash, like do you really call that an army, you wouldn't even last a day. Oooooo look at us now, ( don't you nuke Guam, I told you what would happen) oh you mean like this ? * Hovers hand over button* ( S-stop) I'm gonna press it, look how close I am. ( fuck off! THAT'S IT!!)

And that's how China became the super power of the world. That's history for the people.


That's scenario is not even possible. First Trump has the nuclear codes not a magic, kill all, button. They actually require two people to launch, as a fail safe. A nuclear response to a single nuclear strike is also over kill. our military is far larger, better equipped, and not starving to death. A real war, not a war like Syria, but a true were going to wipe you off the planet war, would end very quickly.



That just went completely over your head.

I just want someone to act that shit out man, because all of this is fear mongering. Fake news to get the people all jacked up. It's a sad time to he living In, not a depressing time, so I like to have a nice uplifting joke.

Even if it's mocking someone, it is for others to laugh about it.
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Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/18/17

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No. If U.S.A. were to merge with anyone, Canada is the only reasonable option. But even Canadians aren't nice enough to let our politics affect them.


Culturally and economically we are the only two nations in our area in the world that have a large amount in common and that could theoretically work without a large amount of problems. That being said I doubt many Canadians would even want that, although a de facto pseudo-merging via freedom of movement/employment probably wouldn't face all that much backlash on either side of the border if it were proposed.


That's pretty much what I said, minus the part about "de facto pseudo-merging." For what it's worth, I wouldn't be too upset about something like that, as long as both countries maintained sovereignty.


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Sure U.S. and Mexico speaks different language, but you don't need a reason to visit Hogwarts even if you can't use magic. Not to mention I was taught Spanish in high school. Part of Canada does not speak English, ya they probably speak Canadanese.


That really has no bearing on what I said. Also, part of Canada (Quebec, to be specific, but probably a few people in other areas, too) uses French as a primary language- not 'Canadanese'.


fredreload wrote:Thing is once this intercontinental travel opens up, the population would be jumbled up and a dominant language would appear, let it be English or Chinese. Sorry about the late reply


That would be very sad, imo. Languages and their differences are awesome. Even if Chinese became the primary language (which doesn't mean much- China has dozens of dialects that are barely recognizable to each other), a change of that scale would practically ensure the death of hanzi (not sure how to type pinyin), although, to be fair, China's communist party has been working toward that for a while anyway. More to the point, reasonably quick travel doesn't ensure language convergence anyway. In the U.S., there is actually an increasing amount of divergence in speech patterns.
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Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/18/17

foraslan wrote:


kevz_210 wrote:


foraslan wrote:

No. If U.S.A. were to merge with anyone, Canada is the only reasonable option. But even Canadians aren't nice enough to let our politics affect them.


Culturally and economically we are the only two nations in our area in the world that have a large amount in common and that could theoretically work without a large amount of problems. That being said I doubt many Canadians would even want that, although a de facto pseudo-merging via freedom of movement/employment probably wouldn't face all that much backlash on either side of the border if it were proposed.


That's pretty much what I said, minus the part about "de facto pseudo-merging." For what it's worth, I wouldn't be too upset about something like that, as long as both countries maintained sovereignty.


fredreload wrote:

Sure U.S. and Mexico speaks different language, but you don't need a reason to visit Hogwarts even if you can't use magic. Not to mention I was taught Spanish in high school. Part of Canada does not speak English, ya they probably speak Canadanese.


That really has no bearing on what I said. Also, part of Canada (Quebec, to be specific, but probably a few people in other areas, too) uses French as a primary language- not 'Canadanese'.


fredreload wrote:Thing is once this intercontinental travel opens up, the population would be jumbled up and a dominant language would appear, let it be English or Chinese. Sorry about the late reply


That would be very sad, imo. Languages and their differences are awesome. Even if Chinese became the primary language (which doesn't mean much- China has dozens of dialects that are barely recognizable to each other), a change of that scale would practically ensure the death of hanzi (not sure how to type pinyin), although, to be fair, China's communist party has been working toward that for a while anyway. More to the point, reasonably quick travel doesn't ensure language convergence anyway. In the U.S., there is actually an increasing amount of divergence in speech patterns.


Reasonably fast travel ensure I can get a Taiwanese girlfriend, Chinese girlfriend, Japanese girlfriend, and Korean girlfriend all at the same time
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Posted 8/18/17

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Reasonably fast travel ensure I can get a Taiwanese girlfriend, Chinese girlfriend, Japanese girlfriend, and Korean girlfriend all at the same time


You seem to be derailing your own thread...

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fredreload wrote:


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Reasonably fast travel ensure I can get a Taiwanese girlfriend, Chinese girlfriend, Japanese girlfriend, and Korean girlfriend all at the same time


You seem to be derailing your own thread...



Alright, I can't prove that even with an intercontinental setup, people of different ethnicity would get together, though it makes transporting resources easier. Well supposedly, and with such a build you could connect Japan to neighboring Korea, Japan to Russia, Taiwan to China, Taiwan to Philippine, in other words, all of Asia. But why isn't China communicating with its neighboring countries when it is so close to them? Well China is conservative, and stubborn, that they probably will not get into sharing the culture with Thailand or North Korea until maybe a decade later. And even if you do share the culture it sounds more like a self enjoyment.

That's the Asia part. Now for America it is a huge land mass and it's pretty big already. But you can connect Alaska to Russia.
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We should merge with china because they own half the country already the upper class elite in china have been for the past 10 years or more been buying massive amounts of land in the usa and a lot of the empty store fronts from local businesses that close.
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cough one world government cough


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Why is it that having a singular unified government that REQUIRES full control over all of society not an issue that many people here are concerned about?

Aside from the other shit, I feel this should be a major problem, and a reason WHY we don't want this to happen. Because having a singular CENTRALISED Government will lead to high authoritarian control and a extreme likelihood of abuse of said control due to the power.

Dividing power is a useful device due to a variety of reasons, but one of the biggest is to reduce the amount of power a singular position holds so that extreme methods can't be enacted "so easily".

Anyway, that's just my input. I feel it should be a larger focus. Also I don't want ideological hegemony. Just reasonably stable peace. And that doesn't require the One world Government. So, we should avoid attempting to enforce such ideological hegemony.

Anyway that's all.
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Posted 8/18/17

foraslan wrote:


fredreload wrote:


foraslan wrote:




Reasonably fast travel ensure I can get a Taiwanese girlfriend, Chinese girlfriend, Japanese girlfriend, and Korean girlfriend all at the same time


You seem to be derailing your own thread...



I'm shocked that such a thing would happen on a troll thread! Shocked, just shocked!
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Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/18/17

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We should merge with china because they own half the country already the upper class elite in china have been for the past 10 years or more been buying massive amounts of land in the usa and a lot of the empty store fronts from local businesses that close.


Technically I'd buy over the businesses lol. Well America and China is separated by a long distance. It would help in terms of research, like learning from the west even though China is good at building it still needs to overcome some technical difficulties that are unmatched by experience in terms of science. I can't deny the fact that Chinese are great programmers. While America is more liberal it is slightly on the naive side. I can't deny the fact that they've built amazing technologies over the last centuries, but in terms of practicality it is slowly feeling the pressure from neighboring countries. Does it mean America needs to gear up? Well, no, I like America for its construct and ideas promotion. While the idea of Capitalism is what drives American market. The history tends to repeat itself and while without a record of what went successful it would be a continuous cycle of pursuing the next idea. In other words, an analysis needs to be made among all the designs. That's what Chinese are good for, analysis

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Posted 8/18/17

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America isn't ready tbh.


Neither is China.

The notion of either country merging in beyond preposterous, even if they willingly did so in some bizzaro alternate universe. Cultures, values, politics ,and peoples couldn't be more different. For all it's faults, the United States is still a very ethnically diverse nation, China is in the complete opposite spectrum. Languages, writing, and religions between both countries are as alien as they could get, they developed independently from one another and have absolutely nothing in common .Mexico would be far, far more plausible merger with the US and even that is highly unlikely.


Although I don't disagree on neither side wanting such a proposal as such a union could be mutually unwelcome or even disasterous, I see a great civil unrest brewing within the states and I do in fact see China as the more stable society at present. Furthermore I would suggest that communism itself hasn't failed because it might have been abandoned or poorly implemented in the past. It can quite possibly work elsewhere, and we might get it right one day, who is to say it wont be so? It can be good or bad, there can be bad to any system and overall the effect can be for the better, but that is another argument for another day. But in short, you're not wrong that neither side is ready or would readily welcome such at this time.





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