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Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/19/17
This is for ironh19, and all others in this thread:

ironh19, this is from the youtube video you posted. I have the URL link for the part where Donald Trump, in the year 2000, knows who David Duke is and calls him a bigot.

https://youtu.be/rLYOuiFWbAs?t=139


This is a snippet from an interview with Trump during campaign season. This is an actual interview, not fake like some of you want to just dismiss it as. I remember reading about this when it was new news.




Trump knew who David Duke was but pretended he didn't. When the interviewer clarified "Would you condemn David Duke and the KKK", Trump still wouldn't even after the KKK was mentioned and it was made known that David Duke is of the KKK. He wouldn't condemn them. He purposefully appealed to those kinds of people.

Whenever he would disavow them, it wasn't genuine. Trump is a liar and a conman. He'd disavow hate groups and certain individuals when there was enough pressure...to get people off his back. But they always knew he sided with him. This is how they feel about him. They believe he stands with him. I've seen this in quoted text from such people, from interviews, blog posts, forum posts on nazi websites, etc.

This is why it is such a big deal about what happened with his reaction and response to Charlottesville. After what happened, again, he wouldn't explicitly condemn them. After mounting pressure, he finally did, but the very next day he back peddled on that and just went with the "both sides" thing. And he was very mad he was pressured to condemn them. He doesn't want to unequivocally and explicitly condemn them. One reason is because he knows they loyally support him.

It was after that, when he reluctantly condemned them and then the next day back peddled, it was after then that he got the brunt of criticism. Many republican officials (as well as republican voters) have criticized him with his handling of all of this and there were some business panels (something like that) affiliated with the white house that have been disbanded after all of this (CEOs distancing themselves and their companies from Trump). Again, even world leaders were voicing disapproval over how Trump handled things.

This isn't just liberals voicing disapproval with how he handled things.
Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/19/17

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The_Red_Spectre wrote:

Right. Linsay Graham, Mitt Romney, even the Bushes have spoken out against Trump's statement of "both sides" .



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It is HIS base, and they aren't cowards for calling it as they see it.. at least here, anyway.


If you promote political violence, don't cry when you are a victim of it.



I'm not, and don't threaten me.


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You keep making a fuss about "both sides". What would would you have him do condemn only the nazis. Because then that looks like he doesn't care about all of the well documented violence coming from the left. A president's duty is to condemn violence which is precisely what he did. Now about David Duke, the KKK, and the alt-right he absolutely should condemn them - unequivocally. But quit acting like him condemning "both sides" is bad. You can argue that it is not enough, that he needs to make it perfectly clear that he does not want their support (which when you're president support is support no matter who it comes from, but it is still disgusting), but you can't argue that him condemning "the violence" is a bad thing.
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You keep making a fuss about "both sides". What would would you have him do condemn only the nazis. Because then that looks like he doesn't care about all of the well documented violence coming from the left. A president's duty is to condemn violence which is precisely what he did. Now about David Duke, the KKK, and the alt-right he absolutely should condemn them - unequivocally. But quit acting like him condemning "both sides" is bad. You can argue that it is not enough, that he needs to make it perfectly clear that he does not want their support (which when you're president support is support no matter who it comes from, but it is still disgusting), but you can't argue that him condemning "the violence" is a bad thing.




Acknowledging the violence on 'both sides' isn't the problem. He should have been real heavy handed on the hate groups. He wasn't. He simply just went with 'both sides'.
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Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/19/17
I agree. Hate groups like the alt-right, antifa and BLM
Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/19/17

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You keep making a fuss about "both sides". What would would you have him do condemn only the nazis. Because then that looks like he doesn't care about all of the well documented violence coming from the left. A president's duty is to condemn violence which is precisely what he did. Now about David Duke, the KKK, and the alt-right he absolutely should condemn them - unequivocally. But quit acting like him condemning "both sides" is bad. You can argue that it is not enough, that he needs to make it perfectly clear that he does not want their support (which when you're president support is support no matter who it comes from, but it is still disgusting), but you can't argue that him condemning "the violence" is a bad thing.


No thats Trump with his illusory propaganda. There really is no comparison with the administration and the bogeyman he constructed to minimalize the white-collar hipster racists with their little tiki torches (lol)

I dont personally approve of some of antifa's methods but I can at least understand their concern, the same cannot be said for nazism. It just isn't quite on the level of disgusting yet for me.
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It doesn't matter if you agree with the group or not. Violence is violence and all you have to do is look earlier in this thread to see some of the violence on the left I am talking about. If those pictures are Trump's "illusory propaganda" then he must be a supernatural genius of propaganda. I don't know why it has to be said but violence is bad, no matter who it comes from.
Also Communism is disgusting enough for me already so I can't see where they are coming from.
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Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/19/17
This article sheds some light on the controversy. White nationalists felt acceptance from Trump by not explicitly condemning them, while some republican officials are quoted for being displeased that Trump wouldn't condemn or even acknowledge a domestic terrorist attack.


http://www.businessinsider.com/neo-nazis-celebrate-trumps-remarks-about-charlottesville-riots-2017-8?r=UK&IR=T


Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/19/17

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It doesn't matter if you agree with the group or not. Violence is violence and all you have to do is look earlier in this thread to see some of the violence on the left I am talking about. If those pictures are Trump's "illusory propaganda" then he must be a supernatural genius of propaganda. I don't know why it has to be said but violence is bad, no matter who it comes from.


It just isn't on the level as nazism yet tho, sorry.
Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/19/17

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. He should have been real heavy handed on the hate groups. He wasn't. He simply just went with 'both sides'.


Like the Black Lives Matter protestors that were there? They're a hate group and are responsible for several terror attacks on police officers and white americans. Trump didn't even mention them by name, is he a black supremacist terrorist sympathizer now?
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So let me get this straight. Nazis have a horrible ideology and so they are worse than the people out in the streets bashing people over the head with bikelocks, setting cars on fire, looting stores, and (allegedly) stabbing people for wrongthink?
In other words beliefs are more important than actions?
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Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/19/17

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Dubnoman wrote:


. He should have been real heavy handed on the hate groups. He wasn't. He simply just went with 'both sides'.


Like the Black Lives Matter protestors that were there? They're a hate group and are responsible for several terror attacks on police officers and white americans. Trump didn't even mention them by name, is he a black supremacist now?




I just made a post (above yours) with the opening text as "This article sheds some light on the controversy"...read that article and the text I wrote in that post to better understand the nature of the controversy.
Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/19/17

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Also Communism is disgusting enough for me already so I can't see where they are coming from.


Communism at least has a noble premise in theory whereas nazism is just destructive and racist from the moment of its conception,.
Posted 8/18/17 , edited 8/19/17

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So let me get this straight. Nazis have a horrible ideology and so they are worse than the people out in the streets bashing people over the head with bikelocks, setting cars on fire, looting stores, and (allegedly) stabbing people for wrongthink?
In other words beliefs are more important than actions?


Lets not forget nazis do that too..
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I agree Communism is sunshine and rainbows in theory. But Venezuela tells a different story. If every single time you try to implement your ideology you get oppressive regimes like the Soviet Union and Venezuela, THAT IS A FLAW IN YOUR IDEOLOGY.
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