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Would you mind giving me one example of a western language that is learnt with less difficulty than English?


Romance languages are super easy.


The community I live in is around 70% french and 30% English. I have met many people who English was their primary language and whom have tried to learn french. I can't think of a single English speaker in my entire life who has learned french to an acceptable level of business communication. It is common knowledge here that learning French is far more strenuous than learning English. The amount of detail behind it's grammar needs to be much more precise to be acceptable. I don't know just how the other romance languages are for learning. But french is definitely not an easy one to learn.

As a side note to this. MAYBE 5% of french speakers in Canada can speak french to an acceptable level towards a french person from France. Only in Quebec and some people in eastern or northern Ontario will speak a decent french (eyy dats me). The other provinces have some mixed French-English hybrid language... More specifically the maritimes. Far east coast.
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21stCenturyGemini wrote:


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Would you mind giving me one example of a western language that is learnt with less difficulty than English?


Romance languages are super easy.


The community I live in is around 70% french and 30% English. I have met many people who English was their primary language and whom have tried to learn french. I can't think of a single English speaker in my entire life who has learned french to an acceptable level of business communication. It is common knowledge here that learning French is far more strenuous than learning English. The amount of detail behind it's grammar needs to be much more precise to be acceptable. I don't know just how the other romance languages are for learning. But french is definitely not an easy one to learn.

As a side note to this. MAYBE 5% of french speakers in Canada can speak french to an acceptable level towards a french person from France. Only in Quebec and some people in eastern or northern Ontario will speak a decent french (eyy dats me). The other provinces have some mixed French-English hybrid language... More specifically the maritimes. Far east coast.


The advantage that romance languages have over the english language is the masculine/feminine form of specific words.

Personally I prefer speaking english. I kind of feel both languages are difficult to learn if you're not a native speaker. However, with english there's so much mass media available... and the internet itself kind of revolves around the english language. I would imagine you would have to go out of your way not to get the gist of the sentence structures and key phrases over time.

Anyway, personally I'd like to learn Japanese.

If the Chinese spoke Japanese, I think they'd have an easier time of spreading their language.

Actually in terms of this thread (and just this site in general) maybe the chinese should start pushing their own brand of animes and games if they want people to start really taking interest in their language
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if you want to make money, learn chinese.
teach your kids chinese, thats where the money is.
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Should China teaches Chinese in other countries just as America teaches English in other countries?


Yes, They should teach me the way of Shaolin Monk!
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I think that it's kind of funny that Swedish is easy to learn when right next door Finnish is one of the hardest to learn
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To help spread the influence of China, I will present an idea on orthography reform from a discussion in another social media. An example with the English word <left> would better demostrate this idea:

left + POLITICS = leftPOL "an orientation on a political dimension"
left + DIRECTION = leftDIR "a spatial relation relative to oneself"
left + ACTION = leftACT "the action of leaving a location, group, or person"

This idea is based on a similar process in the Chinese characters. It combine an alphabetical system with the capacity to distinguish homophones. The need to distinguish homphones is the reason why the Chinese and Japanese still use the Chinese characters in everyday communication while their neighbors is now replacing the characters with Latin letters.

EDIT: I forget to mention that the capital letters in the example are silent letters that indicate the meaning of the word. The small case letter indicate the pronunciation.
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Certainly so.

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Would you mind giving me one example of a western language that is learnt with less difficulty than English?


Pretty much all of them.

Most Western languages are pretty self contained except for modern borrowing from English.

English is a Mongrel language with a core of Anglo Saxon (Old English), but with a huge amount of borrowing from Norman French, plus plenty of Scandinavian (Viking) words. Add in swathes of Latin and Greek based scientific terms. Finally mix in general borrowing from Celtic, Germanic and just about every other language group we Brits came across in our travels.

I'm British, so know Modern English obviously. Plus Old and Middle English for fun. But I love to mess around with languages so have studied Old Norse and Swedish at University level. And have a smattering of German, Latin and Middle Egyptian under my belt. I'm currently working on Japanese with a side order of Chinese. So it's fair to say I know my languages.

English is rightly considered a difficult language to learn. Spelling and pronunciation are full of problems (how do you pronounce 'g' in 'go' and 'ginger' for instance?, and the famous spelling of 'fish' as 'ghoti' ). We have more grammatical exceptions and exceptions to the exceptions than is healthy for anyone's sanity (i before e except after c, and in weird, beige, heinous etc etc.. We often have two or three words for the same thing (hog, swine, pig etc.), and that's before we even touch on differences between British English, and American English....

Chinese on the other hand is much simpler than English in most respects. No plural forms, no genders or cases. No strong/weak/irregular verb forms to master. Even the vocabulary is often simpler with words like 电脑 Diànnǎo 'electronic brain' for computer. Chinese often build words like Lego - sticking meaningful bits together to form new words. English often goes for using Latin or Greek words to sound more erudite (and pompous). When Chinese gets difficult is the tonal patterns, the written characters, and the use of sentence particles and structure etc. to do the job of many of the grammatical bits we would rely on in English, like Past tenses or Possessives etc.

No language is truly easy to learn or master on it's own. But by knowing related languages it gets easier. That's why French or Swedish is easier if you English. And reading Chines is easier if you know Japanese. But even then it's just a bit of a help, not a piece of cake shortcut to the other language.
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I think that it's kind of funny that Swedish is easy to learn when right next door Finnish is one of the hardest to learn


Finnish is a non Indo-European language unlike most of the other European languages so has very little similarity between the two languages, like exists between English and Swedish for instance.
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China rolls on, beaming quantum particles from satellites, in a unified effort to build an unhackable computer network while a divided America focuses on Trump.

Stop whatever you're doing, and start learning Chinese immediately.
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China rolls on, beaming quantum particles from satellites, in a unified effort to build an unhackable computer network while a divided America focuses on Trump.

Stop whatever you're doing, and start learning Chinese immediately.


Funny thing, their big wholesale website to purchase direct from China, is all in English. You don't even have to learn a new language. DHgate.com, and they've got a lot of cool stuff.

Hell, they sell good quality fishing lures for a tenth of the price you can find them anywhere else in the U.S.
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As far as I'm aware you can get Mandarin and Cantonese classes in many countries including the USA and the UK.

We also have English in the Caribbean as well as Spanish and French. There's even patois of each of these languages, oh I forgot the Dutch their patois is Papamiento. I know a little French from school but I'd be lost with French creole patois. I can get by with Spanish. I can only get a bit of some of the patois from some of the other islands since each island has their own accent, dialect etc. I found out that once I left home and tried chatting with a few Jamaican girls. I thought that since we all came from roughly the same region I'd be able to understand everything they said. It turned out that I was so wrong. The indigenous languages of the Caribbean are gone, all that's left is a few names of places and odd words. I know some of the islands by their oldest names before colonisation. It's tradition in many islands to sing Christmas carrols in Spanish or French patois so I grew up with that. For some strange reason we say yes in English then in French frequently. Some terms of endearments are in French patois. As a small child just moving there it was confusing to hear. We thought we were being insulted, thinking we'd be called "little shits". Only what they said translated to , "sweet sweet darlings" We didn't quite find out the real meaning years later.
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DengekiFugu wrote:

China rolls on, beaming quantum particles from satellites, in a unified effort to build an unhackable computer network while a divided America focuses on Trump.

Stop whatever you're doing, and start learning Chinese immediately.


Right now, sure, but a lot of that's going to go down the drain once their massive, insane real estate bubble bursts.
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