Post Reply The lack of combining mecha in real robot anime
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Posted 8/21/17 , edited 8/21/17
I noticed how, in the majority of real robot anime, there aren't that many combining mecha. So I have to wonder how, in a real robot series, teams are formed and structured if they can't combine.

IMO, I think teams in a real robot series are structured as the following:

1. Team leader

2. CQB

3. Sniper

4. Heavy assault

5. Support

In other words, essentially the exact same team structure that made up Science Ninja Team Gatchaman and most other super sentai like them. When you take out a team of robots' ability to combine like supers, and essentially make them a team of reals, all of the weapons and tactics that were applicable to Gatchaman, Super Sentai, and other teams of anime heroes would all be applied to a team of reals.

Right?
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Posted 8/21/17 , edited 8/21/17
In more realistic situations, the formation and structure of the team would account for the context; the team composition would vary based on their objectives, their environment of operation, their number of members, the presence of other allied teams, and whether their allies would interact with them. I barely watch fighting robot show so I do not know much about the prototypical team structure.
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Posted 8/21/17 , edited 8/22/17
In real robot mecha anime the combining would become a liability. If one or more of them were captured or killed then the combining becomes useless. Plus, what the hell are the feet and hands pilots REALLY doing.
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Posted 8/21/17 , edited 8/22/17

arnold5000 wrote:
Plus, what the hell are the feet and hands pilots REALLY doing.


I've imaged it rather like the city's robot from "Tale of Two Robots", Robot Carnival:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqvAFd4gVE
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Posted 8/21/17 , edited 8/22/17
I have always disliked mecha anime and probably always will.
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Posted 8/22/17 , edited 8/22/17

domvina wrote:


arnold5000 wrote:
Plus, what the hell are the feet and hands pilots REALLY doing.


I've imaged it rather like the city's robot from "Tale of Two Robots", Robot Carnival:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqvAFd4gVE


Watched the whole thing all the way to the end. It's a parody of those five-person piloted mecha, like Combattler V, Voltes V, and Beast King GoLion/Voltron. Right?


Shipwright wrote:

I have always disliked mecha anime and probably always will.


Why do you hate mecha anime? They're among the most awesome genres of anime ever conceived! And that's coming from someone who watched the following mecha anime all the way to the end:

1. Gundam '79 movie compilation

2. Zeta Gundam

3. Gundam Wing

4. Gundam SEED

5. Gundam 00

6. Gundam Build Fighters/GBF Try

7. Cross Ange

8. Code Geass

9. Star Driver

10. Gun X Sword

11. Kuromukuro

12. Full Metal Panic/FMP Second Raid

13. Captain Earth

I mean, imagine. Giant robots blowing each other up with the most bad-ass, over-the-top weapons and tactics ever conceived. And an emphasis on the group make it even better, whether it's a team of combining super robots like Combattler V and Voltron, or a team of specialized real robots like the Gundam and White Base, or the EVA units piloted by Shinji, Asuka, and Rei.
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Posted 8/22/17 , edited 8/22/17
full metal panic seemed the most realistic to me.
mecha would be incredablely expensive, and not very good at everything. combining would be a logistical nightmare. then there is the human interface, thats alot of training.
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Posted 8/22/17 , edited 8/22/17
I can think of some mecha anime that I have stumbled on (though I can't recall which specifically, so don't ask) where the humanoid form didn't make any logical sense. In fact seemed very counterproductive. And if the rest of the story wasn't good enough to make it worth watching despite this basic element of the anime being utterly ridiculous (or even if it was), then yes it becomes a lot less than awesome. Add to that the robots in mecha anime all look the same with the rarest of exceptions. The genre seriously needs some innovation.

You are clearly happy with mecha, and that's fine, but some of us think it might be nice to see a slightly different and innovative interpretation of the genre. And if some didn't really like mecha to begin with, then considering it has kept on doing the same thing, they are hardly going to change their mind. Personally I find a lot of mecha anime terribly generic, and becoming increasingly so with time, but that's my personal taste.
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Posted 8/22/17 , edited 8/22/17

nemoskull wrote:

full metal panic seemed the most realistic to me.
mecha would be incredablely expensive, and not very good at everything. combining would be a logistical nightmare. then there is the human interface, thats alot of training.


I'm mostly talking about team structure without the ability to combine multiple mecha, especially in a real robot setting like Gundam and Evangelion.

And since you brought up Full Metal Panic, I would have likely classified each of the characters into the following:

1. Melissa Mao = Team leader

2. Sousuke Sagara = Heavy assault

3. Kurz Weber = Sniper
Posted 8/22/17 , edited 8/22/17
Real robot anime?
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Posted 8/22/17 , edited 8/22/17

Zenpie wrote:

Real robot anime?


Super Robots: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperRobotGenre?from=Main.SuperRobot

Real Robots: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealRobotGenre

Essentially, the more team-oriented super robots have almost always been combining robots. But with real robots, whether it's Gundam or Evangelion, they'd usually lack the ability to combine, and so have to specialize in combat roles like CQB, sniping, heavy weapons, and/or support.
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Posted 8/22/17 , edited 8/22/17
Combining mechs to form a bigger mech seems incredibly impractical. Just trying to understand the physics of it would already be difficult enough unless they're in space. Sometimes the parts have to be delivered separately and there's usually very little time for them to combine if there's an emergency. That's why only super robot anime where the mechs can bypass the laws of physics and sometimes run on magic can pull this off successfully. Any time a real robot anime tries to do this it just makes me think "why are they wasting their time on this piece of junk?" The ZZ Gundam looked like a huge downgrade from the Zeta Gundam because of all of this. The only thing it had was raw power. Everything else from the way its operated to its mobility was too much trouble. Nearly every other Gundam after that was designed to be more like one of the first 2. Other universes paid homage to the ZZ once in a while and I think the Impluse Gundam from SEED was at least as agile as a normal Gundam IIRC, but it's still a lot of work to get the parts to combine and form 1 strong mech without something getting in the way of it's performance.
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Posted 8/22/17 , edited 8/22/17

PhantomGundam wrote:

Combining mechs to form a bigger mech seems incredibly impractical. Just trying to understand the physics of it would already be difficult enough unless they're in space. Sometimes the parts have to be delivered separately and there's usually very little time for them to combine if there's an emergency. That's why only super robot anime where the mechs can bypass the laws of physics and sometimes run on magic can pull this off successfully. Any time a real robot anime tries to do this it just makes me think "why are they wasting their time on this piece of junk?" The ZZ Gundam looked like a huge downgrade from the Zeta Gundam because of all of this. The only thing it had was raw power. Everything else from the way its operated to its mobility was too much trouble. Nearly every other Gundam after that was designed to be more like one of the first 2. Other universes paid homage to the ZZ once in a while and I think the Impluse Gundam from SEED was at least as agile as a normal Gundam IIRC, but it's still a lot of work to get the parts to combine and form 1 strong mech without something getting in the way of it's performance.


Which is why, as I said, there are combat roles for each real robot.

Again, you can have a team leader, a CQB specialist, a sniper, a heavy assault, and a support. It's why we had Celestial Being with its four Gundams plus the Ptolemaios ship from Gundam 00, to perform the exact same roles as any specialized combat unit.
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