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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/24/17

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and here we go with the "Amyas shows us how white people are the most victimized people in the world" show grab your popcorn and hip waders the BS is going to get deep


"Suicidally virtuous" rather than victimized.
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/24/17

Amyas_Leigh wrote:


uncletim wrote:

and here we go with the "Amyas shows us how white people are the most victimized people in the world" show grab your popcorn and hip waders the BS is going to get deep


"Suicidally virtuous" rather than victimized.


yep getting deep already thank goodness I got brand new hip waders
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/24/17
"Hate speech".....

And real hate speech will just be left to thrive.
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/24/17

uncletim wrote:
damn it's almost scary how you were able to see that coming seeing who was the next to post


I think anyone that's been on GD for more than a week knew exactly where a thread with this sort of topic would go. >.>
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/24/17
I think that a clear line should be drawn which distinguishes between malicious speech with the intent to breed hatred and more benign speech in the form of jokes or criticism. If a line is unable to be drawn, such laws should not be written. I also believe that there needs to be a less intrusive way of handling these cases that doesn't involve arresting someone and disrupting their life until the point where charges are officially filed.

I am not aware of the language centering around current hate speech laws in the UK, so I cannot speak to the validity of those specific laws.
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/25/17
I cannot be the only one who though CPS stood for "Child Protective Services".
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Hate speech:

Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.

^You gotta be fucking kidding me right?

"perceived by the victim" key wording here
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/24/17

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I cannot be the only one who though CPS stood for "Child Protective Services".


That's how I read the thread title first to and had a bit of a "Wait...what?" moment.

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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/24/17

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Hate speech:

Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race; religion or perceived religion; sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation; disability or perceived disability and any crime motivated by hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender.

^You gotta be fucking kidding me right?

"perceived by the victim" key wording here


Well, I think criminal offense is more worrying. A similar dialogue earlier this reminds me of is the arguments for laws against incest, to invariably prevent rape, as one would say. My only response is "Isn't rape already illegal", which I believe can be applied in the same way that harassment here.

In essence, why have a hate speech law when criminal harassment should and does cover the basic gist of it, and everything "criminal" about it?

Keep in mind the legal definition I believe it is and should be includes following someone around for extended periods of name calling, among others.
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Well to start with thank you for sharing. I now feel alot better about living in the US. Just the other day I was wondering if moving to another country might help me escape all the insane people. It appears to me "CPS" or their authority are completely mental!!!! Leaving bacon on the doorstep... poor taste and spiteful... but hate crime? Somebody please tell me this is a joke.

TO the reference of its no different then burning Christian bibles... that's not even close. Burning Quran s/bibles would be close to each other. Leaving bacon sandwiches equal would be showing a pregnant teen and saying it was an immaculate conception(thank you Jimmy carr for the inspiration).

I have previously been accused of not addressing points so to all the photo/articles.... I have no opinion as obviously these were hand picked for shock value, so I will not even bother to address the side by sides. I am sure there are a number of cases from both sides of the fence that could produce articles showing unfairness. I am actually appalled anyone would show these articles and be expected to be taken seriously. I find the very idea insulting. To which the only parallel I can conjure atm is Republicans being called Fascist, and Democrats being called snowflakes or socialists. Please do not post what I am sure are isolated incidents and make them out to be norm. Generalizing is what creates intolerance and more idiots in the world. How does the saying go? "If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem"
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/24/17

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Well, I think criminal offense is more worrying. A similar dialogue earlier this reminds me of is the arguments for laws against incest, to invariably prevent rape, as one would say. My only response is "Isn't rape already illegal", which I believe can be applied in the same way that harassment here.

In essence, why have a hate speech law when criminal harassment should and does cover the basic gist of it, and everything "criminal" about it?

Keep in mind the legal definition I believe it is and should be includes following someone around for extended periods of name calling, among others.


These are my feelings about it:

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And also if I created my own religion called Flagism where I believe Flags are divine beings. If anyone burns a flag , I can perceive that as hostility toward my own religion. And put you in jail for hate speech...
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/24/17
I find it hilarious how some people are comparing some crimes with harsher sentences with some crimes with lighter sentences and trying to create an argument about race or ethnicity.

*NEWS FLASH*

The UK justice system has flaws (like every other country) and our prison system is full to bursting. All ethnic groups in the UK "benefit" from screwball sentencing. As the system encourages community sentences for most first time offences I can point to tonnes of white people who get off with barely a slap on the wrist the first few times. Trying to stir up a reaction by finding a few stories about ethnic minorities with similar situations is just lazy.
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Posted 8/23/17 , edited 8/24/17

DevinKuska wrote:

Well to start with thank you for sharing. I now feel alot better about living in the US. Just the other day I was wondering if moving to another country might help me escape all the insane people. It appears to me "CPS" or their authority are completely mental!!!! Leaving bacon on the doorstep... poor taste and spiteful... but hate crime? Somebody please tell me this is a joke.

TO the reference of its no different then burning Christian bibles... that's not even close. Burning Quran s/bibles would be close to each other. Leaving bacon sandwiches equal would be showing a pregnant teen and saying it was an immaculate conception(thank you Jimmy carr for the inspiration).

I have previously been accused of not addressing points so to all the photo/articles.... I have no opinion as obviously these were hand picked for shock value, so I will not even bother to address the side by sides. I am sure there are a number of cases from both sides of the fence that could produce articles showing unfairness. I am actually appalled anyone would show these articles and be expected to be taken seriously. I find the very idea insulting. To which the only parallel I can conjure atm is Republicans being called Fascist, and Democrats being called snowflakes or socialists. Please do not post what I am sure are isolated incidents and make them out to be norm. Generalizing is what creates intolerance and more idiots in the world. How does the saying go? "If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem"


It's a hate crime because they intentionally targeted the mosque to upset Muslims because of their religion.

We also have to consider that not everything that the group did while at that mosque was reported. I'm too tired to look up the actual records of the trial,but I wouldn't be surprised if there was enough evidence to convict all of them for maximum sentences if they went the non guilty route. From what I could quickly find all of them plead guilty,and didn't appeal the rulings.
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