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Let's get this to become a trend! Common core is a plague upon the nation and has ruined education. This school rejected it and they skyrocketed in their scores. Keep spreading this around and demanding this of our schools and we can get America's youth the education they deserve!


https://newspunch.com/florida-school-common-core/


They have rejected the backward approach of Common Core, which sees kids memorize entire words in kindergarten before later being introduced to phonics once they are in elementary school. By that point, their brains are already used to whole words, which makes grasping the concept of phonics and applying it far more difficult than it needs to be.

What does the classical approach embraced by the Academy entail? According to their website, language-focused learning based on written and spoken words makes the brain work harder to convert words into concepts, while image-based approaches encourage passivity. The time-tested approach of phonics is very likely the reason you are able to read this article in the first place, and it’s hard to imagine why anyone would consider it inadequate.

Thanks to the classical approach of phonics, an impressive 90 percent of the third-grade students at Mason Classical Academy were proficient in English Language Arts, compared to just 58 percent in the county overall, most of whom rely on Common Core. In fact, the MCA third-graders were in Florida’s top two percent, while fifth graders from the academy ranked in the state’s top one percent.

These students look even better when you compare them to California, where the state average is just 43 percent proficiency among third graders. Even worse, six public schools in Baltimore do not have a single student who is proficient in either English Language Arts or math. It’s almost like students are being set up to fail.

Of course, not everyone is happy about this school’s success. Common Core proponents are panicking because these results expose the system for the fraud that it is. The school has been on the receiving end of criticism from everyone from the district’s superintendent to the local news outlet Naples Daily News, according to The Freedom Project.
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Florida actually doing something good?
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Holy shit, smart people still exist?
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Holy shit, smart people still exist?


and in Florida of all places!
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Unfortunately my state will likely be the last to ditch it, considering the Gates foundation more or less created this fiasco.

Seriously. I looked at the backward way that my niece was being taught math the other day and I honestly had no freaking clue what the hell I was even looking at with simple subtraction and addition problems.
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there's a very good chance "someone" below will argue that common core is the holy grail of K-12 education, and how it teaches "skills" to students.

common core was introduced way back in 2009. the mathematics pisa score at the time was 487 , which was below the world average, but not by much (i'm going with the data from the 2012 and 2015 averages - the average for 2009 is unlikely to be significantly different, at 490 and 494 respectively). 3 years later, when common core is full and strong, the average mathematics score actually dropped to 481,and then down to 470 in 2015.

data from pisa strongly suggest common core not only does not help students learn mathematics, but it actually worsens their overall performance by a statistically significant amount. data over a 6 year period does not support the null hypothesis that the common core helps students in mathematics. maybe this will change in 2018 - but this seems unlikely, unless common core is replaced with something else. meanwhile, other countries like Japan and S Korea don't rely on a common core, and they consistently remain among the top rankers in math.

OT: great news for Florida! ....unless there's a catch.

edit: fixed some errors
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Unfortunately my state will likely be the last to ditch it, considering the Gates foundation more or less created this fiasco.

Seriously. I looked at the backward way that my niece was being taught math the other day and I honestly had no freaking clue what the hell I was even looking at with simple subtraction and addition problems.


When your programming a computer it doesn't use any of that complex nonsense it wants simple addition and subtraction. You put that shit into a computer and it will give you an error. Why we are teaching future programmers how to fail at programming.
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So they can be future "enlightened voters", living the American Dream of endless debt and poorly balanced fiscal reports.

Then again, I never really got involved in phonetics or "Hooked on Phonics", and Florida's schools mostly just never really reached me, as a student.
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I am not here to defend Common Core. That said, this article is a bit disingenuous.

Naples, Florida is not some inner city school. Or a city plagued with inner city problems like say Baltimore. Naples is one of the wealthiest cities in the US. It has the 6th highest per capita income in the US and has the 2nd most number of millionaires in the US. For a city of about 325,000. It is also 94% white as reported by the last Census. Comparing Naples with Baltimore is like comparing Beverly Hills to Compton.
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I am not here to defend Common Core. That said, this article is a bit disingenuous.

Naples, Florida is not some inner city school. Or a city plagued with inner city problems like say Baltimore. Naples is one of the wealthiest cities in the US. It has the 6th highest per capita income in the US and has the 2nd most number of millionaires in the US. For a city of about 325,000. It is also 94% white as reported by the last Census. Comparing Naples with Baltimore is like comparing Beverly Hills to Compton.



Every single one of his posts are just filled with lies.

It's nothing more than pushing a false narrative on people who aren't familiar with the area. They play on ignorance to lie endlessly.
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Cellory wrote:

I am not here to defend Common Core. That said, this article is a bit disingenuous.

Naples, Florida is not some inner city school. Or a city plagued with inner city problems like say Baltimore. Naples is one of the wealthiest cities in the US. It has the 6th highest per capita income in the US and has the 2nd most number of millionaires in the US. For a city of about 325,000. It is also 94% white as reported by the last Census. Comparing Naples with Baltimore is like comparing Beverly Hills to Compton.


How is it a bit disingenuous? Florida school ditches common core and its scores jumped to the top.

I'd love to remove common core from an inner city schools to stop the cycle of poverty but someone has to be the first to do it and budget strapped schools are not typically very innovative.


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Cellory wrote:

I am not here to defend Common Core. That said, this article is a bit disingenuous.

Naples, Florida is not some inner city school. Or a city plagued with inner city problems like say Baltimore. Naples is one of the wealthiest cities in the US. It has the 6th highest per capita income in the US and has the 2nd most number of millionaires in the US. For a city of about 325,000. It is also 94% white as reported by the last Census. Comparing Naples with Baltimore is like comparing Beverly Hills to Compton.



Every single one of his posts are just filled with lies.

It's nothing more than pushing a false narrative on people who aren't familiar with the area. They play on ignorance to lie endlessly.


Every one of this guys posts is him complaining everything I say is lies while contributing nothing of value. Quite a sad life.
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Every single one of his posts are just filled with lies.

It's nothing more than pushing a false narrative on people who aren't familiar with the area. They play on ignorance to lie endlessly.


Hey now, just because if you go through to the original article its actually written like a Breitbart comments section and is coming from right wing Christian private education organization. One who uses their lack of CC as a foremost advertising point when they get shout outs from the Alex Jones Show. Doesn't mean the article isn't totes on the level and being completely honest with us.

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Common core is fine. Nothing in it prevents things from being taught the old way, but as anyone who has ever been to school can tell you, not everyone learns the same things the same way. CC just opens up different approaches to materials. For all our metrics, our numeracy (which is to say, numeric literacy) is shit. Kids can do the things, but it often takes entirely too long to understand the things*, and by then you've created blocks of kids who think, "oh I'm not a math/literature/art kind of person. I just can't do that sort of stuff," when all they really needed was a little attention and a different approach.

You want better scores? Let the kids stretch their goddamned legs. Give them more than 15 minutes to eat lunch. Stop testing them so fucking much. I work at a middle school, and used to work at a K-5 elementary school, so I get 100% how much of a pain in the ass things are. But Common Core, at worst, is a symptom of our wrong-headded approach to education, not the cause.


*I went an entire semester in 8th grade Algebra not being able to identify what the two sides of an equation were, but I still pulled an A. But after I understood rather than just knew how to do, my life was far less stressful.
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Well all the teachers I know hate common core. I suppose it would make to much sense to have educators and experts develop national curriculum rather than law makers.
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It's becoming quite clear as to why many threads on this forum deteriorate into massive troll posts.
The source for this information isn't clear, which lead to digging into the story myself.
It appears that the story is false, in and of itself.
Collier County Board of Education hasn't released any information surrounding Mason Classic Academy other than its "A Rank" in both mathematics and reading that has continued for about three school years.
In terms of proficiency, Mason Academy lands at around 71% in Reading for the 2017 school year thus far.
This is on par with some of Collier County's public schools.
Mason Classic Academy has been accused of misappropriating funds, has its fair share of scandals, and the previous Chairman of the Board had to resign due to some ambiguous comments he made about teaching a certain political mentality is more important than teaching children required curriculum.
It sounds as though Mason Classic Academy likely planted this story to make themselves seem better than they are to a certain demographic.

Onto the topic of Common Core, it isn't the problem.
The problems are incompetent parents and teachers who feel even more incompetent when their students outsmart them or cannot go to them for help on simple questions.
Prior generations have been taught memorization over analytical capacity.
Common Core focuses on analysis of the information to understand the context and the material, not just memorizing it.
This makes teachers and parents feel stupid when they're not sure how to teach it or how to explain it when their children ask for assistance.
The various memes around Common Core are often used out of context and parents fail basic comprehension skills when reading a question.
I do believe the source material to teach Common Core needs better management, as the vast majority isn't ready for "prime time usage" just yet.
This doesn't mean that teachers should reject the notion of teaching with Common Core; instead, they should create their own source material for education.
This would become a self-educational experience for the teacher and the parents will be able to communicate with the teacher in a more fluid manner as the teacher would understand the self-written context of each question.

Needless to say, there is not enough information on any site that is copying this story to state that it's a genuine statement.
With Mason Classic Academy's past, it does seem to be more of a political statement than an academic one.
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