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KevHunt wrote:

Well all the teachers I know hate common core. I suppose it would make to much sense to have educators and experts develop national curriculum rather than law makers.


Having the educators develop the education methods would work far better than having yet another politician make bad laws that don't work for the people actually teaching. The teachers can see whats working and not working and they want to make their jobs smoother as well as help the kids.
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Unfortunately my state will likely be the last to ditch it, considering the Gates foundation more or less created this fiasco.

Seriously. I looked at the backward way that my niece was being taught math the other day and I honestly had no freaking clue what the hell I was even looking at with simple subtraction and addition problems.


When your programming a computer it doesn't use any of that complex nonsense it wants simple addition and subtraction. You put that shit into a computer and it will give you an error. Why we are teaching future programmers how to fail at programming.


Forewarning: I am not an educator nor a programmer. But I am an mechanical engineer, so I do know some coding.

And I would disagree. I've seen common core math and while I think teaching them the "normal" way is good, common core isn't inherently bad.

The problem, from what I know, is that common core was made by mathematicians but is not being taught by mathematicians.
Further, it's not being taught with enough time and resources to handle students who do something right but doesn't follow the lesson (the best examples I've seen is when they teach kids about estimating)


As for coding though, the general idea of common core I think is a superior way to teach programmers. No, a computer does not take all of that garbage.
BUT being able to think about numbers and their relationships more intuitively (which is one of the goals of common core) is important. No code is going to be as simple as 2+2. At this level, the simple way is easier for coding, but it builds a foundation for dealing with numbers in a more abstract, fundamental, and creative way, which is better for future programmers.

Now, whether common core actually accomplished the goal of getting kids to think about numbers that way, I pass no judgement.
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a few states have kicked or not even allow common core to enter their state borders to begin with. the scores are about the same but better over all. we're no where near the rest of the world (especially Japan) but if they'd kick this horrible "law" common core, then the scores will return to normal or better.
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im an educator

common core sucks

(american) public education system sucks

traditional schooling sucks

there's better methods for educating out there ...

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This singular example is pretty poor evidence, especially in light of the points that Cydoemus made.
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Cydoemus wrote:

Onto the topic of Common Core, it isn't the problem.
The problems are incompetent parents and teachers who feel even more incompetent when their students outsmart them or cannot go to them for help on simple questions.
Prior generations have been taught memorization over analytical capacity.
Common Core focuses on analysis of the information to understand the context and the material, not just memorizing it.
This makes teachers and parents feel stupid when they're not sure how to teach it or how to explain it when their children ask for assistance.
The various memes around Common Core are often used out of context and parents fail basic comprehension skills when reading a question.
I do believe the source material to teach Common Core needs better management, as the vast majority isn't ready for "prime time usage" just yet.
This doesn't mean that teachers should reject the notion of teaching with Common Core; instead, they should create their own source material for education.
This would become a self-educational experience for the teacher and the parents will be able to communicate with the teacher in a more fluid manner as the teacher would understand the self-written context of each question.


I personally think that a system that cannot be used by the people it needs to be used by is useless. While the inadequacy of the teachers and parents may be an actual fact, that doesn't change that it would be much easier to change the system rather than improve the parents and teacher.

This is ignoring my personal negative feelings on Common Core, which is a common enough opinion. Most school age kids I know hate the system entirely for the typical reason of overconvulting the simple.


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This is ignoring my personal negative feelings on Common Core, which is a common enough opinion. Most school age kids I know hate the system entirely for the typical reason of overconvulting the simple.


As some other users have said, the goals aren't the same. The goal of Common Core Math, isn't just to get kids to a place where they can solve number problems, but to be able to "reason abstractly and quantitatively" and reinforce the skills associated with mathematics (logic and problem solving).

Whether it is successful is another question, but I don't think it is quite accurate to say that common core is "overconvuluting the simple" and therefore it is bad.
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This is why if I have kids they are going to school in Japan or to the university in Shanghai by Microsoft Shanghai. Screw the USA.
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encrypted12345 wrote:
I personally think that a system that cannot be used by the people it needs to be used by is useless. While the inadequacy of the teachers and parents may be an actual fact, that doesn't change that it would be much easier to change the system rather than improve the parents and teacher.

This is ignoring my personal negative feelings on Common Core, which is a common enough opinion. Most school age kids I know hate the system entirely for the typical reason of overconvulting the simple.


Adopting a new process is a convoluted task no matter the proficiency of those who are teaching or who is being taught.
Teachers not wanting to adopt a new process or learning method will fail in teaching it properly as they haven't the tools or media to be aware enough of it on their own.
This causes a lack of trust and confidence in the teacher by the parents, who cannot understand how the process works themselves.
It becomes a vicious circle of teachers feeling useless fed by parents feeling useless fed by students being frustrated.

Common Core isn't without its flaws.
It convolutes the simple to try to teach a student the logic behind the memorization tactics.
It's meant to be more complicated to teach the analytical skills required for higher-level learning.
The people behind Common Core are college professors and academics, which is evident because that's the kind of analytical thinking that's required at the levels that they generally teach.
The issue was the implementation of Common Core.
There aren't many solid textbooks around it for any course.
There aren't many good worksheet papers to offer students for homework.
Nor are there any reasonable courses that assist teachers in understanding it without taking a course through a third-party that charges them, personally, for the course as most school districts are hitting the barrel of funding as it is.

I still disagree that Common Core is horrible, it's just a rough draft of something that needs improvements.
Rolling back to memorization over analytical skills just seems counterintuitive to the idea of improving our educational value as a country.
The "hate" directed at Common Core seems to stem from frustration with understanding it, especially those who were already at later-levels of the education system (middle of higher school) when the initiative for Common Core went into high gear.
Implementation was its largest flaw.
Some districts said "No."
Some said, "We'll make it part of the curriculum but it isn't required."
Some said, "We're all in, let's do this."
Without enough districts going "all-in" it caused publishers to back away from publishing textbooks and worksheet books for teachers.
They're stuck with half-written or poorly written documents to teach a system that is complicated to understand as it is.
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