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Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17
Youtube is launching their new censorship/demonetization efforts against "controversial subjects" and "hate speech" to very predictable results. Libertarians, conservatives, and some liberals are being mass demonetized and so too are any people who make a living posting anything considered controversial (half of everything).

There are different levels of this. The first is demonetization where youtube yanks ads and prevents you from making any money on the videos that were used to make youtube as popular as it was. Here are a few examples:

We are change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOkeJo2Tye8

Ron Paul: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkJ1N-7g9Q6n7KnriGit-Ig/videos



Sargon of Akkad: https://www.youtube.com/user/SargonofAkkad100

Foamy the Squirrel: https://www.youtube.com/user/jimathers





The next level is being unable to embed a video, like it, or comment on it. it is reserved for only the most evil of videos like:

How to paint a helmet for reenacting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Ki6XwaQ94

It completely removes it from searches and being able to find it.

Its quite sad to see youtube/google destroying peoples livelyhoods just to fight a battle against a concept that is so vague no one can figure out what exactly it is (hate speech).

If there is anything left on youtube that you like I suggest you back it up with Youtube-dl before its gone: http://youtube-dl.org/

This is the kind of stuff that will drive content producers to other platforms. Soon literally the only thing on youtube will be cat videos.
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Posted 8/27/17 , edited 9/3/17
If you weren't aware, recently Youtube had this thing referred to as the "adpocalypse". Basically, some sensationalist stuff went around and advertisers were like "woah, we don't want to be advertising on this controversial stuff" so tons of them pulled out to some degree. This hurt literally everyone on Youtube, and Youtube basically went to advertisers like "okay, we'll try to do something about this" to try to pull them back in. The solution was basically to let advertisers opt out of certain types of content. This primarily focuses on "controversial" stuff which means most top tier advertisers aren't advertising on political videos, but it also hits things like "acne prevention" videos and a lot of other stuff.

This isn't a political attack, it is a desperate attempt to stop advertisers from leaving the site. The inherent problem with Youtube is how advertisers don't select specific videos like they would select programs on television which makes it difficult for them to control their brand message. Youtube has gotten to the point where it cannot ignore this any longer so this is the solution.

What does this mean for people who make controversial content? It means it will be a lot more difficult to make money on Youtube, which sucks, however, it is because advertisers don't want their ads on this stuff, not because Youtube is trying to censor them. And if advertisers don't want to air ads on Sargon's videos, that is their right. My suggestion would be to set up a patreon and try to get sponsors. Don't rely on an extremely shaky source of income like Youtube ads.
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I can't believe they can even get away with the "Limited State" thing.

They can now cripple your channel even if you don't break the rules.
Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17
Monetization on YouTube only works if advertisers are wiling to buy ads and have them displayed on certain videos, clearly companies are telling Google they don't want their brands associated with certain kinds of content. This why a lot of YouTubers have started Patreons or using Twitch so people who want the content can pay for it.

As for other platforms, YouTube still draws the most eyeballs and even if that changes to different platform; advertisers are going to demand a certain amount of control over where their ads get featured.
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Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17
Welcome to capitalism, may I take your order?



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Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17

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If you weren't aware, recently Youtube had this thing referred to as the "adpocalypse". Basically, some sensationalist stuff went around and advertisers were like "woah, we don't want to be advertising on this controversial stuff" so tons of them pulled out to some degree. This hurt literally everyone on Youtube, and Youtube basically went to advertisers like "okay, we'll try to do something about this" to try to pull them back in. The solution was basically to let advertisers opt out of certain types of content. This primarily focuses on "controversial" stuff which means most top tier advertisers aren't advertising on political videos, but it also hits things like "acne prevention" videos and a lot of other stuff.

This isn't a political attack, it is a desperate attempt to stop advertisers from leaving the site. The inherent problem with Youtube is how advertisers don't select specific videos like they would select programs on television which makes it difficult for them to control their brand message. Youtube has gotten to the point where it cannot ignore this any longer so this is the solution.

What does this mean for people who make controversial content? It means it will be a lot more difficult to make money on Youtube, which sucks, however, it is because advertisers don't want their ads on this stuff, not because Youtube is trying to censor them. And if advertisers don't want to air ads on Sargon's videos, that is their right. My suggestion would be to set up a patreon and try to get sponsors. Don't rely on an extremely shaky source of income like Youtube ads.


Your thinking of the last situation. The new one has a panel of bots or humans (they are sort of unclear on that) looking through videos and flagging bulk content.

This has happened within the last week. You should look into this one its getting really bad.

Foamy is losing their main source of income. Not because an advertiser wanted to avoid him but because of youtubes new system.
Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17

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I can't believe they can even get away with the "Limited State" thing.

They can now cripple your channel even if you don't break the rules.



They pretty much get to dictate terms on how their platform is used, in this case they have interest in keeping advertisers happy and there is clearly content they don't want to support at all.
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Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17

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keeton52 wrote:

I can't believe they can even get away with the "Limited State" thing.

They can now cripple your channel even if you don't break the rules.



They pretty much get to dictate terms on how their platform is used, in this case they have interest in keeping advertisers happy and there is clearly content they don't want to support at all.


Like any Political Opinion they disagree with, Let's Play channels, and news channels that tell the truth.

It's not about keeping advertisers happy, it's about kicking out the competition to those advertisers. Because Television is dying, and the internet is more profitable.
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Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17
sundin13's answer has all the important things I wanted to say, though the current system does seems a bit harsh (I don't get why that specific reenact video got restricted, though I understand companies wouldn't want their ads on someone's video pretending to be a german soldier in WW2, even if the channel explicitly tells they do not condone Nazi ideals and behavior like reenact guy did - or at least in the other video I checked he had that disclaimer). Harsh or not, you can still ask for a review, and I don't think Youtube makes their priority guaranteeing someone else's livelihood, just their own. Not doing this would hurt them way more than losing said controversial Youtubers, though this isn't the ideal scenario. right now they're just on damage control regarding their advertisers, this might not be the final version of the system.
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Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17

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Your thinking of the last situation. The new one has a panel of bots or humans (they are sort of unclear on that) looking through videos and flagging bulk content.

This has happened within the last week. You should look into this one its getting really bad.

Foamy is losing their main source of income. Not because an advertiser wanted to avoid him but because of youtubes new system.


It is an extension of the same idea. Youtube is trying to nail down their system for identifying content that advertisers want to advertise on.

Like I said, don't rely on a sole income source as flimsy as youtube ads. Get a patreon. Make brand deals. Diversify. Deal with it.
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Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17

sundin13 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

Your thinking of the last situation. The new one has a panel of bots or humans (they are sort of unclear on that) looking through videos and flagging bulk content.

This has happened within the last week. You should look into this one its getting really bad.

Foamy is losing their main source of income. Not because an advertiser wanted to avoid him but because of youtubes new system.


It is an extension of the same idea. Youtube is trying to nail down their system for identifying content that advertisers want to advertise on.

Like I said, don't rely on a sole income source as flimsy as youtube ads. Get a patreon. Make brand deals. Diversify. Deal with it.


I think youtube is shooting themselves in the foot with this. If people start relying on patreon and other sources then their incentive to stay on youtube is going to diminish and they will hate youtube and not want to use it.

Heck this is already going on with google and now they started a new war by fucking over youtubers:


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Rujikin wrote:

I think youtube is shooting themselves in the foot with this. If people start relying on patreon and other sources then their incentive to stay on youtube is going to diminish and they will hate youtube and not want to use it.

Heck this is already going on with google and now they started a new war by fucking over youtubers:


If you lose the advertisers, you are in an even worse situation. Youtube's absolute number one priority is keeping advertisers happy. Does it suck? Yeah, but the alternatives are far from peachy.

That said, what is the alternative to Youtube? Theres twitch for a certain niche, but for actual, edited content, what else is there that has even a fraction of the popularity of Youtube?
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Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17

sundin13 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

I think youtube is shooting themselves in the foot with this. If people start relying on patreon and other sources then their incentive to stay on youtube is going to diminish and they will hate youtube and not want to use it.

Heck this is already going on with google and now they started a new war by fucking over youtubers:


If you lose the advertisers, you are in an even worse situation. Youtube's absolute number one priority is keeping advertisers happy. Does it suck? Yeah, but the alternatives are far from peachy.

That said, what is the alternative to Youtube? Theres twitch for a certain niche, but for actual, edited content, what else is there that has even a fraction of the popularity of Youtube?


Twitch is owned by youtube.

Gab is the new platform.
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Twitch is owned by youtube.


No. Twitch is owned by Amazon.
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Posted 8/27/17 , edited 8/28/17

spensaur wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

I think youtube is shooting themselves in the foot with this. If people start relying on patreon and other sources then their incentive to stay on youtube is going to diminish and they will hate youtube and not want to use it.

Heck this is already going on with google and now they started a new war by fucking over youtubers:


If you lose the advertisers, you are in an even worse situation. Youtube's absolute number one priority is keeping advertisers happy. Does it suck? Yeah, but the alternatives are far from peachy.

That said, what is the alternative to Youtube? Theres twitch for a certain niche, but for actual, edited content, what else is there that has even a fraction of the popularity of Youtube?


Twitch is owned by youtube.

Gab is the new platform.


I thought Amazon owned Twitch, not Google.
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