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Post Reply ANTIFA at it again attacking more Innocent people in Berkeley.
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BRUH JUST DAB ON THEM HATERS
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BRUH JUST DAB ON THEM HATERS


What do you do when the haters dab back?
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DevinKuska wrote:
I actually broke down and watched a few youtubes of Milo the other day... not really sure what the fuss is about other then he seems to really dislike the political Islam(AKA ISIS). However I only watched a few videos and they could very well have been mild idk.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos#Controversies

Like Coultier, he's a professional troll that falls back on playing the matyr and claiming he's being attacked for his "conservative" beliefs rather than the fact he's an asshole.

I'm surprised he's being allowed back into conservative circles after the pedophile thing though. Everyone dumped him like he was radioactive after that.



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Oddly enough we all know by now what will happen by inviting or allowing ANTIFA to show up, yet nobody seems to throw a temper tantrum. I am not saying your wrong I am just saying it frustrates me to no end the one sided "Blame game" each media outlet likes to play. MSNBC says Milo is the worst person in the world, Fox news says BLM and Antifa are the worst people ever. Lets all just be honest and say they are all potentially(groups are a bit harder to generalize about) equally bad.


Preventing Antifa from showing up would be difficult. At this point they are essentially just anarchists and the more destructive they become the more they alienate and push out more moderate voices in their ranks. Till all that's left is 100 idiots storming a police barricade. The best thing that can be done at this point is simply outlawing masks/helmets/goggles/shields at these events. Anyone showing up like that, on either side, isn't there for civil discourse.

Antifa is a tricky beast because its become hopelessly intertwined with the anarchist types that show up at every riot/protest regardless. It will vary in personality depending on where an event is and how much if any a local anarchist community the place has. The Bay Area for instance and Berkeley in particular have had a community of these shitheads long before Trump became president. They've been disrupting events at Berkeley for years.

I mean, Antifa has gone from being viewed as liberal snowflake college students with Soviet t-shirts to full on Black Bloc anarchists.

Milo is a horrible person though, that much is correct. -.-







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Yes, its free speech, but lets not pretend there's anything noble about it or anything noble about the intentions of the group inviting said speakers. They know EXACTLY what will happen by inviting them. Just because its free speech it doesn't absolve them of responsibility for the consequences. They know they're pouring gasoline on a fire.


That's stupid. Isn't it the Berkeley College Republicans inviting these speakers? This is normal on college campuses, I went to many speaking events at my own colleges. You're victim blaming. And I question your education & self-awareness if you can't recognize when you're being tempted to twist a situation and blame the victim.

You're exercising the same kind of primitive, selfish mentality that suggests that women must dress less slutty or they're somehow complicit in sexual crimes against them. Sure, they're entirely aware that they are provoking a sexual response from men by dressing that way. So what? The police must still protect them from criminals.

Please join civilized society and don't victim blame. I'm sure most people have done it by accident before, but we should obviously try to be better than that.
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That's stupid. Isn't it the Berkeley College Republicans inviting these speakers? This is normal on college campuses, I went to many speaking events at my own colleges. You're victim blaming. And I question your education & self-awareness if you can't recognize when you're being tempted to twist a situation and blame the victim.

You're exercising the same kind of primitive, selfish mentality that suggests that women must dress less slutty or they're somehow complicit in sexual crimes against them. Sure, they're entirely aware that they are provoking a sexual response from men by dressing that way. So what? The police must still protect them from criminals.

Please join civilized society and don't victim blame. I'm sure most people have done it by accident before, but we should obviously try to be better than that.


Oh come off it. If you're inviting someone like Ann Coulter its most certainly not for a nuanced civil discourse. She makes her living as a professional troll. It's not a secret the kind of shit she says and does and why she does it. It's not "victim blaming" to point out that throwing Coulter into a volatile mix like this will without question result in another protest/riot. Those that invited her to speak know full who she is, what she does and what will happen.

Yes, its free speech, but again, that doesn't mean its above reproach or that those speaking it abdicate responsibility for it. The BCR knows exactly what they're doing here.

http://www.modbee.com/news/article169725537.html remember that white supremacist shit head? He was a special guest of the BCR and a buddy of the BCR's president. Stickers from his white supremacist group have appeared over Berkeley's campus. BCR's connections to alt-right and supremacists groups aren't exactly a secret. And they have tried to disrupt anti-Trump protests themselves in the past.

They are not victims, they are active participants in all this shit.

PS. Fark off with trying to equate this with rape of all things.

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runec wrote:

That didn't actually answer my question you're just going further into conspiracy territory.

Berkeley has been the site of HOW many riots now? I don't think its beyond the pale for the mayor to ask to cancel what will without question be yet another riot. You don't invite Milo and Ann Coultier to speak on the nuances of free speech. You invite them to provoke shit. Which is exactly what they do for a living and exactly what will happen.

Yes, its free speech, but lets not pretend there's anything noble about it or anything noble about the intentions of the group inviting said speakers. They know EXACTLY what will happen by inviting them. Just because its free speech it doesn't absolve them of responsibility for the consequences. They know they're pouring gasoline on a fire.


I actually broke down and watched a few youtubes of Milo the other day... not really sure what the fuss is about other then he seems to really dislike the political Islam(AKA ISIS). However I only watched a few videos and they could very well have been mild idk.

Oddly enough we all know by now what will happen by inviting or allowing ANTIFA to show up, yet nobody seems to throw a temper tantrum. I am not saying your wrong I am just saying it frustrates me to no end the one sided "Blame game" each media outlet likes to play. MSNBC says Milo is the worst person in the world, Fox news says BLM and Antifa are the worst people ever. Lets all just be honest and say they are all potentially(groups are a bit harder to generalize about) equally bad.


Most people who hate Milo never seen one of his debates, most are going off some bios and hear say, other than actual experience.

Milo is a gay man who has black lovers, he not a Nazi.. he hardly a monster, nor some master mind. This hate towards him is just a group of leftist attacking anyone who opinions don't match theirs.
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Most people who hate Milo never seen one of his debates, most are going off some bios and hear say, other than actual experience.

Milo is a gay man who has black lovers, he not a Nazi.. he hardly a monster, nor some master mind. This hate towards him is just a group of leftist attacking anyone who opinions don't match theirs.


Um, no. It's quite a bit more than that. He's a professional troll. Saying terrible shit for attention is his entire shtick.

You don't have to defend everyone who claims to be on your "side".

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I have a complete dislike of both extremes, mostly because they tend to resort to the same brown shirt tactics.

Antifa in particular is, in my mind, nothing more then an anarco-communist terrorist organisation. They pepper sprayed kids, attacked an old man carrying a Patriot's Flag and attempted to "bash the police" in Quebec City the last time they rioted. Unfortunately, for them, the SPVQ are not incompetents and separated the rioters from the members of a right wing group who where attempting to protest against illegal immigration.

And I fear that History will repeat itself and if it does, the US and Canada will either become a totalitarian socialist regime or a totalitarian national socialist regime ( because attempting to violently repress fascists worked so well for the communists in Italy and Germany of the 1930s... oh wait...)
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I have a complete dislike of both extremes, mostly because they tend to resort to the same brown shirt tactics.

Antifa in particular is, in my mind, nothing more then an anarco-communist terrorist organisation. They pepper sprayed kids, attacked an old man carrying a Patriot's Flag and attempted to "bash the police" in Quebec City the last time they rioted. Unfortunately, for them, the SPVQ are not incompetents and separated the rioters from the members of a right wing group who where attempting to protest against illegal immigration.

And I fear that History will repeat itself and if it does, the US and Canada will either become a totalitarian socialist regime or a totalitarian national socialist regime ( because attempting to violently repress fascists worked so well for the communists in Italy and Germany of the 1930s... oh wait...)


Just happens a petition with over 300K votes went to the white how to recognize antifa as a terrorists organization. http://canadafreepress.com/article/make-it-official-antifa-is-a-movement-of-domestic-terrorists
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BRUH JUST DAB ON THEM HATERS


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Just happens a petition with over 300K votes went to the white how to recognize antifa as a terrorists organization. http://canadafreepress.com/article/make-it-official-antifa-is-a-movement-of-domestic-terrorists


1) You can link directly to the petition itself instead of inflicting some wingnut blog on us.

2) Terrorist groups are not designated by popular vote.

3) Antifa is not cohesive or coherent enough to be clearly identified to begin with.

4) If, by some incredible stroke of stupidity, this administration actually follows the petition. It will open the floodgates to using the White House petition system as a political weapon against the ever so cherished Free Speech(tm). You will see every organization from white supremacists and Confederates to BLM go up as petitions overnight.

5) Scratch that, there are already petitions for BLM and George Soros to be declared terrorists. Hell, there are even ones to charge Obama for treason ( somehow ).


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I'm fairly certain there are undercovers in their numbers and they're kept under constant surveillance , it isn't as if they aren't being watched.
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I'm fairly certain there are undercovers in their numbers and they're kept under constant surveillance , it isn't as if they aren't being watched.


Heck, depending on the city the undercovers could be the ones trying to instigate things. >.>


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faris09000 wrote:
I'm fairly certain there are undercovers in their numbers and they're kept under constant surveillance , it isn't as if they aren't being watched.


Heck, depending on the city the undercovers could be the ones trying to instigate things. >.>




Yeah, heck anything is possible.
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Anti Fascists is a default setting for anyone who's a human being. I don't feel sorry at all for any "alt-right" associated people if they're pepper-sprayed. People who side with Nazis are not worth your sympathy unless you ARE a Nazi.
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