Vampire Knight Guilty
Alternative Names:

ヴァンパイア騎士 Guilty (Japanese)

Bampaiya Naito


Country of Origin: Japan
Year Produced: 2008
Air Date: Oct 6, 2008 to Dec 30, 2008
Episodes: 13
Type: Series
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Vampire Knight Guilty

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loshe
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I just read the new chapter and I think that it confirmed some things, first that Yuuki loves both of them, but I think that she is with Kaname because it seems that she feels a lot of gratitude towards him,this is what i perceived from the chapter. After one year...., many things would have happened during this time, and this made me a bit nervous because it is a mistery and in the next chapters I don't think that much of this year could be revealed. Let's see what is going to happen, even waiting a month.... Ufff!
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Hy Tony! Yes...I know that now Zero's attitude has changed a lot, furthermore, a year has passed...I'm just thinking "Poor Zero!", but at the same time I'm happy for Kaname, who finally has the girl he loves in his arms. I love both of them, Kaname and Zero, so I'm just shocked about chapter 49 and want to see what will happen next! Let's look forward the new chap!
Respect for you, buddy!
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okay, so really bummed that chapter 49 only dedicated like 3 pages to zero...DEPRESSING! and really sad for ichijou too! but overall, it was okay i guess...i mean, i'm not too excited about all the yuuki and kaname scenes...as you can probably tell, i'm more of a zero fan...hehe
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All I can say about chapter 49 is it was great.. lol.. I'm very happy that Kaname and Yuuki are together.. Banzai!!!! But let's not celebrate yet.. Coz Sara is just around and plotting something.. hmm..

Pureblood Lovers!!!! GO GO GO!!!!:D
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bobapearl wrote:

okay, so really bummed that chapter 49 only dedicated like 3 pages to zero...DEPRESSING! and really sad for ichijou too! but overall, it was okay i guess...i mean, i'm not too excited about all the yuuki and kaname scenes...as you can probably tell, i'm more of a zero fan...hehe



Stay strong, truebeliever!!!!!
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fiordiloto wrote:

Hy Tony! Yes...I know that now Zero's attitude has changed a lot, furthermore, a year has passed...I'm just thinking "Poor Zero!", but at the same time I'm happy for Kaname, who finally has the girl he loves in his arms. I love both of them, Kaname and Zero, so I'm just shocked about chapter 49 and want to see what will happen next! Let's look forward the new chap!
Respect for you, buddy!



Thank you so very much, buddy!
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Ingrid_3 wrote:

All I can say about chapter 49 is it was great.. lol.. I'm very happy that Kaname and Yuuki are together.. Banzai!!!! But let's not celebrate yet.. Coz Sara is just around and plotting something.. hmm..

Pureblood Lovers!!!! GO GO GO!!!!:D


You're totally right! I Just can't imagine what Sara-sama want from my beloved Kaname. But relax! He has Yuuki by his side now! Nothing has stopped him in this ten years, and nothing will, now! Kaname is a predator, not a victim. Hower...all the fans will curse Sara-sama if she dares doing something to our Kaname or Ichijou!


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You're totally right! I Just can't imagine what Sara-sama want from my beloved Kaname. But relax! He has Yuuki by his side now! Nothing has stopped him in this ten years, and nothing will, now! Kaname is a predator, not a victim. Hower...all the fans will curse Sara-sama if she dares doing something to our Kaname or Ichijou!


I don't think Sara would harm Kaname because she has her eyes on him...it's rather Yuuki who is the target of Sara because she's Kaname's fiance and to tell the truth i think Sara want to have Yuuki's place(but luckily Yuuki has Both Kaname and Zero for watching over her!) Anyway, after what Sara has done to Ichijou in the beginning of ch.49, i already dislike her.
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You're totally right! I Just can't imagine what Sara-sama want from my beloved Kaname. But relax! He has Yuuki by his side now! Nothing has stopped him in this ten years, and nothing will, now! Kaname is a predator, not a victim. Hower...all the fans will curse Sara-sama if she dares doing something to our Kaname or Ichijou!


I don't think Sara would harm Kaname because she has her eyes on him...it's rather Yuuki who is the target of Sara because she's Kaname's fiance and to tell the truth i think Sara want to have Yuuki's place(but luckily Yuuki has Both Kaname and Zero for watching over her!) Anyway, after what Sara has done to Ichijou in the beginning of ch.49, i already dislike her.


You're right, my buddy! I didn't think about it. Maybe Sara's target is Yuuki. Anyway...let's see what will happen. I'm sure that Yuuki, Kaname and even Zero can work the situation out. About Ichijou, yes! I hate Sara for what she has done to him!

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That "one year later" threw me for a loop. Zero is just... menacing. I figured it would happen without Yuuki being there so I expected his cruelty, but yikes - though he looked amazing, I truly feel sorry for any innocent vampire that crosses his path. Like TonyTheShredder said, that guy was seemingly, a truly innocent vampire: we wouldn't want Zero going around killing characters like Shiki, Kain, and Rima who haven't done anything to anyone, right?

The really sad part is, because Zero's so powerful now, he can kill any vampire - from Level E's to Purebloods with no discretion whatsoever. And with his totally unjustified hatred of the entire race... it's going to get very bloody as he goes after all the purebloods and kills all those in his way. Hopefully he'll develop (or already has) a conscience and won't go around killing anyone and everyone who's a vampire - if he does that, though the Vampire Council was eliminated, a huge war between vampires and hunters/humans may very well break out. Though I'm looking for some heavy drama and action, I certainly don't want to see how Zero would fair if he had to seriously fight two Purebloods at once *_*
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his totally unjustified hatred of the entire race

it's not really that unjustified...Zero was raised in an environment where people learn to kill vampires from their youngest age, he was born to be a vampire hunter. Plus he has some mitigating circumstances: his parents were killed, his twin was taken by Shizuka and he was turned into vampire just because Shizuka wanted to get her revenge. Under such circumstances, Zero pure hatred for the entire race is well-justified!


any innocent vampire that crosses his path

so vampires are innocent?!!...why such creature as level-E exist? it's because some purebloods have turned humans into vampires so can we really said that vampires are innocent?
Ok, in the inside of the academy, vampires don't attack humans but why?...it's not because they are harmless(remember, Aidou has sucked Yuuki's blood!) but it's just because they respect the willpower of Kaname to not harm humans. If Kaname had left vampires do as they wanted, i'm sure that there would have been a bloodshed within the academy!
In the outside, it's even worst...each time that Yuuki was outside the academy she was attacked!
IMAO, vampires can't be portrayed as innocent...in order to survive they need to suck someone's blood(i wonder how such an act can be seen as innocent!!!)
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his totally unjustified hatred of the entire race

it's not really that unjustified...Zero was raised in an environment where people learn to kill vampires from their youngest age, he was born to be a vampire hunter. Plus he has some mitigating circumstances: his parents were killed, his twin was taken by Shizuka and he was turned into vampire just because Shizuka wanted to get her revenge. Under such circumstances, Zero pure hatred for the entire race is well-justified!


Actually no - blind hatred for an entire race is never well-justified. That's how racism develops - something terribly bad happens to someone and it just so happens that the perpetrator is of a certain race. Therefore that must mean that every single being of that race would do the same exact thing to you and the other innocent humans. Clearly, vampires are just going out and wiping out entire villages because clearly they are all demonic.

I have the utmost sympathy for Zero's past, but having a terrible past does not suddenly make your wrongs right. His hatred of Shizuka and Rido is highly justified - his hatred of an entire race is not. It's just really shallow and blind - Zero may very well take a turn for the worst because his family was wiped out by two purebloods (though really, one manipulative pureblood). He hates thousands because of two people. Is that truly justified? I hope not.


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any innocent vampire that crosses his path

so vampires are innocent?!!...why such creature as level-E exist? it's because some purebloods have turned humans into vampires so can we really said that vampires are innocent?
Ok, in the inside of the academy, vampires don't attack humans but why?...it's not because they are harmless(remember, Aidou has sucked Yuuki's blood!) but it's just because they respect the willpower of Kaname to not harm humans. If Kaname had left vampires do as they wanted, i'm sure that there would have been a bloodshed within the academy!
In the outside, it's even worst...each time that Yuuki was outside the academy she was attacked!
IMAO, vampires can't be portrayed as innocent...in order to survive they need to suck someone's blood(i wonder how such an act can be seen as innocent!!!)


This evoked two sets of responses from me: one that addressed each of your points and one that simply kept on subject - since I'm being lazy, I'm going with the main point.

The random vampire was on an errand, not in the process of drinking blood from some hapless little girl, and Zero's decided to kill him simply because he won't rat out his master. That makes the vampire innocent in this case, regardless of his possibly bloody past, or his possibly terrible master, he wasn't doing anything to be shot over so again, he's pretty much an innocent bystander in Zero's whirlwind of hate. Think of it like this: it's like being randomly pulled over by a cop and being accused of drunk driving - though you did drive while inebriated in the past, you sure as hell wasn't it doing it at that very moment and you would very much appreciate not going to jail over something you weren't doing at the time. Though you are definitely not an innocent person overall - you are definitely innocent in the current situation. Again, I hope Zero's using common sense and this guy is actually massively guilty of a ton of heinous crimes; or Zero's just being humorous and not really going to put bullet in the guy's head in the next chapter.

Though I'm now wondering: how exactly is Zero feeding his blood lust? It's been a year without any Kuran blood, but he doesn't seem to be suffering much, so he must have found a stable supply of blood (or randomly adjusted to the blood tablets). He couldn't have possibly starved himself the entire time.
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I have the utmost sympathy for Zero's past, but having a terrible past does not suddenly make your wrongs right. His hatred of Shizuka and Rido is highly justified - his hatred of an entire race is not. It's just really shallow and blind - Zero may very well take a turn for the worst because his family was wiped out by two purebloods (though really, one manipulative pureblood). He hates thousands because of two people. Is that truly justified? I hope not.


After what happened in the past and knowing that he will turn into level-E oneday, Zero had absolutely no desire to live. The only reason he has found to stay alive was to hate all the vampires and to want to kill them all...i know very well that it's an unorthodox reason but if just this only reason can make him want to survive then i say "why not?". When you are on the verge of despair and when you wake up every morning in telling yourself "it would have been better if i have died" then i swear that when you find something to cling to life you don't hesitate(even if this something is pathetic and wrong!)
Maybe my views is rough but i think that in order to survive any means are good and justified(even the worst means)...now it's only my point of view and everybody have different point of view!



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crosskaien wrote:


I have the utmost sympathy for Zero's past, but having a terrible past does not suddenly make your wrongs right. His hatred of Shizuka and Rido is highly justified - his hatred of an entire race is not. It's just really shallow and blind - Zero may very well take a turn for the worst because his family was wiped out by two purebloods (though really, one manipulative pureblood). He hates thousands because of two people. Is that truly justified? I hope not.


After what happened in the past and knowing that he will turn into level-E oneday, Zero had absolutely no desire to live. The only reason he has found to stay alive was to hate all the vampires and to want to kill them all...i know very well that it's an unorthodox reason but if just this only reason can make him want to survive then i say "why not?". When you are on the verge of despair and when you wake up every morning in telling yourself "it would have been better if i have died" then i swear that when you find something to cling to life you don't hesitate(even if this something is pathetic and wrong!)
Maybe my views is rough but i think that in order to survive any means are good and justified(even the worst means)...now it's only my point of view and everybody have different point of view!



But what about the people that get hurt (killed) because of this? I understand why you are saying this, but we're not talking about something as simple as holding on to someone or something in order to find the will to live - we're talking about needlessly and endlessly killing in order to give yourself a goal to continue living. In real life, if we were talking about a serial killer out there going around killing people (even as far as mass-genocide) because of how desolate their own life was and them needing a reason to keep on living, would you honestly be able to say, "why not?" What about the serial killer's victims? What's to stop that killer from attacking your own family if you or them just so happen to be a part of the group of people that he's decided needs to be purged for his own peace of mind?

The very reason why you can say "why not?" in Zero's case is because he's Zero. Not only is he a fictional character, but he's a jilted guy who's family has been destroyed by vampires (who have always been considered notoriously amoral and/or downright vicious and demonic in various cultures around the world). Not only that, he's become a massive hole of self-hate for being a vampire himself and hatred towards anything 'vampiric' in nature. Most of us like Zero because we truly feel sorry for him and because he is genuinely a nice guy, usually - just really shutdown from everyone other than Yuuki. It's because you know Zero's past and feel sorry for him, while also are under this preconception that the majority of vampires are just ten times worse than human beings and thus all of them deserve the 'punishment' Zero is dishing out. However, if you were on the other side of the fence and was the target of Zero's new reason to live, if you had any feelings of self-preservation at all, wouldn't you feel at least the slightest bit affronted that someone could have the audacity to want to kill you just because they needed a reason to live? To want to kill every bit of your brethren just because they (one person) was hurt by two people of your entire race?

Mind you, Zero didn't even HAVE to go this route had he not been so ingrained with prejudice - he could have very well stayed with Yuuki, accepted her for who she was, and we would be seeing how that would unfold right now. Instead, because Zero has an inability to surpass his short-sighted prejudice, he decides that he must kill in order to have a reason for living. It's an endless loop that Zero had more than one chance to break out of, but never does.

Note: If you still feel that Zero's justified, then so be it. I'm just presenting you with a different perspective: what Zero needs and is willing to do to get what he needs is just fine and dandy - but if that means killing others, what makes him so important that others (who really have nothing to do with him or his past) must die for his sanity? But, of course, this is just a hypothetical situation - hopefully, the next chapter will not show a dark side of Zero and instead will really just reveal that Zero is going around only killing the vampires who are beyond redemption.
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In real life, if we were talking about a serial killer out there going around killing people (even as far as mass-genocide) because of how desolate their own life was and them needing a reason to keep on living, would you honestly be able to say, "why not?" What about the serial killer's victims? What's to stop that killer from attacking your own family if you or them just so happen to be a part of the group of people that he's decided needs to be purged for his own peace of mind?



is he a fictional character


I really like your reasoning and i don't really find fault with it but i just think there is a little misunderstanding between us. I'm going to try to make short and to get to the heart of the matter...for me there are 2 things very dissimilar: the reality and the fiction. In the fiction i can show much tolerance while in reality i'm not in fact such a tolerant person. Of course i don't approve serial killer(hey, i'm not mad as a hatter!) but here whe are in a fiction where there are vampires and vampires hunters so when Zero(a vampire hunter) hate all the vampires and want to kill them all then i'm not shocked. I find well justified the fact that vampires hunters want to kill vampires! I don't try to make excuses for Zero and if it was another vampire hunter i'll surely think the same(after all vampires hunters are born in order to kill vampires, no?)
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