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pjibmw
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As with anything in the free world, adults should decide what works for their lives. How is it that government legislation wants to save us from EVERYTHING it feels is unhealthy for us (e.g. fast food, fast cars, etc.). Japan will turn into a little United States with sexual conservatives legislating cultural change. Anime does not exploit real people. It's just comics. No humans were harmed in the production of this film. Sheez, turn off the television if you don't like what's on!
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is there no way to stop this from happening?
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I also don't like this situation. Nobody was forcing you to watch or read anything but now somebody will force you to stop.

Anyway, as the writer said, this has a positive side too. Now authors have to find other themes than the traditionally ones, and maybe we, consumers, will benefit from that.
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i hope they dont ban anime cause then ill have to join the cause to unbanned it or be threatened for sharing anime to foren ppl who are not allowed to watch it cause im that cool of a guy but really this bill is not cool and if it passes how will all thows sick bastered git there rocks off lol thats a funny thought about how many complants they will get from that group of the viewers lol but any way how are we going to take action and stop this bill from happening???
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I think anime should be left alone, why you may ask. Well anime teaches thinks that can happen in the real world; and if the bill is passed it can remove the funny, and romantice parts.
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This bill is going to be the best thing to happen to anime in decades.
Mark my words.
Originality and creativity thrive in oppressive situations.

We are going to see a lot less pointless violence. A lot less pointless sexuality.
Less Echi. Less Lolicon shit.
More effort will be put into creating something that sets itself APART from the pack. Not simply being content to wallow in the pack of same old same old as is becoming.

We will see a large rise in OVA's being produced for things that don't fly for being on T.V.

Welcome back 1980's.
I have missed you.
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We see similar things happening in the US in regards to video games. Jack Thompson, anyone? Here in the US we are very clear about what is acceptable for the government to do and what isn't in connection with our entertainment. I suspect Japan will be no different.

The biggest difference here, however, is that the gaming industry as a whole has already taken actions to police itself many years prior to all of this. However those of us old enough to remember why this came to be is because of similar situations as to what's happening with Anime in Japan now. Games were starting to get out of control (Mortal Kombat, Doom, & Night Trap, at the time, being the biggest offenders).

When legislation and lawsuits began to come up, the ESRB was formed. The private sector said, "Wait a minute, government. Back off, we'll do it ourselves." because everybody knew that if the government were to step in, it would go overboard (like it always does....)

Maybe soon we'll see a group who regulates anime similar to the way that gaming here in the US is regulated. I don't see that as being a bad thing.
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@Worhammer:

I have actually been hoping for some kind of ESRB situation to formulate itself from this mess.

It's not so black and white with them being Evil who want to destroy anime.
Both sides have clear and valid concerns.
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Sabinlerose wrote:

@Worhammer:

I have actually been hoping for some kind of ESRB situation to formulate itself from this mess.

It's not so black and white with them being Evil who want to destroy anime.
Both sides have clear and valid concerns.


Exactly this.

I don't think the general outrage about this bill is justified, at least not in regards to anime.
There is content that is suitable for children and, of course, there's also content that simply isn't - the problem is when the two get mixed up as a means of increasing sales. As a result children are being confronted with topics they shouldn't be dealing with - sexuality being one of them.
What's more, it becomes increasingly hard for parents to actually distinguish between shows their children can watch and shows their children shouldn't watch if even the seemingly innocent ones contain an awful lot of mature content every once in a while.
Of course, this is only true under the assumption that the parents actually care - I'm fairly sure there are also parents who don't.

This issue goes way further than just anime, in order to fully understand what the government is trying to achieve, it's essential to understand their reasons. Looking at Japan, especially considering the younger demographics, it is rather well known that the constant mix of fictional characters and sexual topics does create certain social outcasts as well as people with questionable ideas in regard to women (of course, this does not only apply to younger people).

What this bill fails to include, however, is that many of these issues also stem from social problems - mobbing, parental negligience and other factors can easily drive children into situations in which they seclude themselves, resulting in the cases of social outcasts with flawed perceptions of right and wrong we can see (for instance) in Japan today. A healthier society won't just appear out of nowhere if you take sexuality out of other media. Contrary to that, considering the huge availability of these media on the internet, these things won't just be gone entirely. Minors will still have access and, due to the media coverage of the topic, it might wind up being stigmatized, actually making the social problems worse.

While I don't know how common these cases of social outcasts are, there's no denying that there's no need for the overabundance of sexuality in anime. It doesn't serve to progress the story, half of the time it actually seems bothersome. Certain jokes have been standardizes and general topics just seem to be repeated endlessly. If this movement will serve to improve story-writing, then this bill can only help as far as anime are concerned (the economy might be a different story, though)

Dedicated hentai, however, is a different story. Limiting sales to 18 and above should be sufficient; adults should be able to distinguish between practices that are applicable in reality and practices that aren't. Outright banning everything seems like a step backwards, though I'm not that familiar with the details of the bill in question, I'm not sure if they want to ban certain things entirely or merely limit sales to adults, anyone got any clear info?


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The thing I don't like the most about it, is that the government made a blurry statement again, so we have to guess what their motives are.
It would cut so much assumptions and worries if at last they could make a clear statement..
Sure there are viewpoints from it could be justified, or criticised but that doesn't change the fact that we don't know what exactly they willing to achieve with this.

Inappropriate rating for the sake of profit is not a new thing, and sure is a bad thing. I despise people who do that. But such things doesn't mean a whole industry should be stamped.. it's like every aspect of life has elements who bring shame on good things. People would only have to learn how to deal with them - and not letting an irresponsible authority make decisions what they should do. Everyone have a mind on their own, they just have to learn how to use it. The world could be a better place if people would learn how to think on their own and not let others do it in their place. Isn't it something that animes can teach you?
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I agree with the point of trying to reduce the risque, because in all honesty most of the time anime simply doesn't need it. Sure once in a while things like that can be entertaining. (Who didn't laugh when asuka was taunting shinji with her boobs) the rest of the times it can be extremely awkware (i'm so fucked up)

(note, both of the above were references to neon genesis evangellion).

I also wouldn't mind seeing them clean up visual novels a bit. I love visual novels, but some parts of them are just well, too far. (the loli paths mostly) also how the hell do they get away with "All characters in this work are 18 years or over" when they're clearly all in school. And give out their school year.

but surely passing a bill, which is rather obscure, will only lead to strife in the anime industry. (just look at software patent law in america >.>). It would be much more prudent to make better defined rules, as well as have them apply more so to the stations / publishing bodies rather than the individual works. (also would save a fair bit of work for the government)

but now i'm rambling so i'll shut up soon. Its a good move, but what i'm REALLY hoping is that it doesn't pass first time, then comes back with amendments.
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Ok so this is my first time posting on the forums here on Crunchyroll. I just read about this new bill and i've read a few of the posts about it on the forums. I'm 18 years old and have been enjoying anime for along time and all i can say is that the way some people are looking at anime is truely just..well stupid. Honestly i think the bill might be going towards a right direction but in a wrong way. See what people are complaining about are Anime shows that your probably not supposed to be watching in the first place. I recently looked up old shows that i watch, for example Chobits. A great romance anime with slight perversion, not bad, infact one of my favorite Animes. Chobits is catigorized in the Seinen section for Manga and anime. Seinen is ment for Men 18+. I watched it when i was 13, and saw nothing wrong with it but not all Seinen Manga and Anime are like Chobits. See most of the shows you people are talking about are catigorized into Seinen Manga and Anime, One being Kiss x Sis (someone mentioned it in a Post, mostly cause of sexual content). These types of shows are allowed to have that kind of content, why? Because it is ment for that older audience. If anything i believe that anime should have a small 5 second screen saying what kind of audience the show is MENT for.
Ok i'm starting to ramble on, anyways the point of this post is to try and say that, most of the shows you people are watching aren't even ment for you to watch. Sure you can watch it, but remember if its not ment for you to watch, why judge it? Being 18 i've watched shows ment for children, shows that are ment for teenagers, and shows that are ment for adults. If people are worried about their children watching something they aren't supposed to, put that explination on the beginning of shows saying what the show is ment for, and i'm not talking about the usual, This show may contain blah blah blah, no one listens to that and always ignores it, including most parents. People are bothered by the sexual content? Well i'll say this much, its how the world works as well, its all one perverted joke. If you can't laugh at it don't watch it, if you don't like it, skip it, don't watch it, or even go outside, and do something with your friends. As a last..opinion, about shows that have things involving Lolicon..anything. yeah i'm no fan of it but you know what, a 16 year old girl who looks like shes 10 years old is actually possible in real life, so seeing it in an anime isn't a big problem in my eyes, and if that character is involved in any perverted/sexual act in the show, its probably there because it can be there, the writer wanted it there, the producers kept it there, added it there. Its not just to drag in an audience, atleast not all the time, these types of things make the character feel real at times.
~Sometimes something that happens to an Anime character happens because its a real life situation~ Not everything in Anime is fictional, real life situations happen. Remember Anime stories are stories made by real people, if a real person made the situation, don't you think that the same situation can happen in real life?
(I'm talking of course things like walking into the bathroom when a girl is inside and shes just in her towel, perverted things like that! Its true, these things can happen! The world is WEIRD that way!)
Sorry for rambling on, but i wanted to try and get ym point accross, you may or may not agree with me and thats fine, its your opinion, but don't knock an Anime because it has perversion, life is perverted. Just voicing my opinion (For once..) please don't rage at this post if you don't like it
Also the timid shows that have slight perversion(Like Naruto and One Piece for example), it is not THAT bad, it doesn't show anything, it's only bad if choose to believe its bad.
The opinion of a shy 18 year old guy who sees the value in even the stupidist of shows .
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I agree with the guy above me.
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I agree with the fact that anime has gotten a bit over the top concerning explicit topics and that should be banned atleast for people under 18 or something- I mean I'm young, and I learned about all these topics as a kid and began to watch more and more anime; granted I'd say I more mature because of it but I admit that I'd rather have learned all of it an older age.

But I hate the fact that it's so vague it practically says that it's going to ban anime! But if they do ban anime, well this governor's going to have ALOT of pressure from anime fans all over the world
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Some things you must note about the source of this bill. Ishihara and his party are extremely right wing and xenophobic. Ishihara himself has said publicly that gays and lesbians are "diseased" (one of the very small wins is that this bill did not include gay and lesbian themes as something that "injures" public morals as originally intended). Also note that Ishihara has written novels in the past that are rather infamous for describing the rape of school girls in rather graphic detail (novels, and live action are not subjected to this bill). So how is a bill by a xenophobic, homophobic, author of extremely graphic novels good for anime and manga?

Also remember this bill was first brought up and defeated when it solely focused on "loli" manga. It passed mainly due to back room deals and because the DPJ was more focused on keeping Ishihara and the LDP from moving the Tsukiji fish market from its current (and highly valuable) location to an island owned by Tokyo Gas and Electric, which by their admission the land would qualify as an unmitigated Superfund sight in the US (didn't seem they were going to bother cleaning it up first either). Basically this bill came about so the LDP could show they could "govern."

Up thread someone mentioned this bill with return manga to the 1980's golden age. There was a lot less regulation on what could be sold and published. Prior to 1989 full on hentai works could be sold in convenience stores to anyone of any age. (Aside note, as unbelievable as it seems, Japan did not have a minimum age of consent law until 1989 either.) Actual a good bit of the "strangeness" of Japanese porn is due to Japanese law (Japan can't have normal porn, so it gets tentacles instead).

As this bill stands right now, any work that either not specifically for children, or pass a vague "artistic" standard goes in with the actual porn at convenience stores (the primary location where people buy manga).

One thing this bill might cause (besides the chilling effect on publishing) is a major shift to online publishing, e-books, and the increase of the number of cell phone manga series, avoiding the regulative eye of the government. (Of course the internet was going to be Ishihara's next target, before he declined to run again).

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