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Buddha-Kevin
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Posted 2/25/11  Reply  Quote
I have doubts that such a bill will get passed by the government because I'm sure the Anime industry does help the economy of Japan to some extent and since there is such a large variety of Anime available and yeah each sale of a Anime obviously gets taxed and yeah corporations get taxed 30-42% of their profits.

My point is if Anime Corporations makes Anime which no one likes to watch or finds interesting at all then the amount they tax from a corporation would be significantly much less than what they would ordinary receive and I'm sure a government would be thinking more economically instead of looking at what would be appropriate for anime.

I honestly think this Bill is quite stupid because your not forced to watch a certain Anime thus there is a quick fix don't watch it if you find it inappropriate and if your kids watch it then just ban them from watching such content also another alternative could be more stricter on classification ratings that way people will know what is appropriate for certain age groups.
xly15
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I thought Bill 156 had already passed. At least that is what the article on ANN about it says. The anime industry even held a panel that took comment s and questions from Foreign anime watchers. I'm almost pretty certain that in April or May the self enforcement clause of the Bill comes into effect. That means that at First the Anime industry has to sift the content itself and remove stuff that bill really would not allow.

This bill already has negatively affected the anime and manga industry because manga series that were selling and could have had a reprint are not getting them. The Bill is technically only suppose to affect the actual city or prefecture of Tokyo, but it essentially acting as a backdoor ban for the rest of the country. Tokyo has the biggest reader and viewer ship for anime and manga. So if the anime and manga are not able to sell in Tokyo they most likely will not sell at all.

I do not agree with the Bill, but what it essentially boils down is an amendment to a Law that was already in existence. The Healthy Youth Ordinance was been in effect in Tokyo since like the 1970s. For the most the bill is a tightening of ratings on Anime and Manga. But as I said before it is acting more like a ban than that tightening of ratings.
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I received news about this through my email, so I don't know all the details yet. I hope this will eliminate the export of Anime depicting child pornography. There needs to be a crackdown on the internet with any website containing such material. The domain .xxx is now an optional (not mandatory domain) for the adult porn industry. This could be a good option to further protect children from viewing inappropriate material and stop illegal images or videos being published.on the internet. I think think the fight against illegal material is one of the reasons the bill came to be.
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The problem is that there is clear-cut definition in the bill of what is appropriate material. It is basically going to left up to a government bureaucrat to determine what the appropriate material.

The second problem being that there is no victims in this case, but Ishihara is trying to criminalize it. I say as long as you know it is a fictitious event then why even mess with it.

I also believe that it should be up to the parents on what their kids watch. Not some bureaucrat.

Ishihara is also leaving something else untouched. He is leaving regular books untouched. It is already known that he wrote erotic novels and trust me he wrote some pretty bad stuff. A lot of involved what he is trying to get rid of in anime and manga.

A lot of comes down to the fact that he hates the otaku and hikikomori population that Jaoan has. Even before the passing of the bill he said things in press conferences like "Otaku are genetically defunct people." He also included homosexuals in their as well, but that is not important. The fact that the man has something against Otakus.
nekomusha
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No its not gona pass. TO lose such an amazing high rate of money and jobs will never happend. Hentai yea is porn but honestly its better porn then the real crap you see out there with nasty sluts. At least its all fiction and fantasy. Nothing wrong with it. What ur gona stop hentai cause its bad for kids. Well im sorry klds see worst then that. And do worst then just watching hentai. So I say if you find hentai offensive then dont watch it and leave it be. Cause 1 person verses like 1mil should not have the right to say anything. jsut like if outta 1mil people 900,000,000 said they love anime and hentai alike and 50,000 said they like anime but not hentai and the other half said they just like hentai who cares. If you went around the world asking people from ages 15-35 If they like any anime and would keep it on cause its awesome and has good life lessons yea more then 90% would say yea.

Id keep rageing on and talking about this but Id rather just go and watch anime hehe ^_^ bai bai
HiKkI_Fan
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Posted 2/27/11  Reply  Quote
i just hope that this bill doesn't pass !
xbox432
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Please don't let this bill pass, damnit I'm a guy that likes watching people get eviserated and actual blood go flying, I like watching anime and seeing cute girls that couldn't actually exist. Anime, after it goes though the american editing (aparently we're to SENSITIVE for all the violence and H content) is already so bad that I don't even bother watching it, I get subbed animeso I can actualy enjoy it. If they have problems with it get a better rating process to differentiate the levels of appropriate anime for little kids. And as a previous poster said nothing we see in anime is gonna harm teenage kids they see worse in the movies/ internet/ school everyday they their prudish parents see in their bedroom. ...well I guess thatconcludes my rant, HELL NO TO BILL 156!
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The bill passed The Tokyo Metropolitan Parliament back in December. It passed two days before Christmas. The industry self-regulation is what is coming into effect if I am not correct sometime in April. With the full enforcement coming sometime during the summer.

If you do not believe me go search for the articles about it on the Anime News Network. Crunchyrolls version of the story is wrong. The bill passed already.
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These perverted individuals that are making them are warping the minds of children with their twisted fantasies.

I hope it passes because this softcore crap is a dime a dozen and plus 3 or more girls drooling and acting retarded (with excessive panty and breast shots) over a runt of a loser is just obnoxious and old.

These artists need to get out and get laid...maybe then they'll make some real content?
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Illincrux, It should not have to be done through forcible government regulation. It should be done through more civilized means. The free market should take care of it. If the people buying the anime and manga desire stuff with more story and less sex then it would shift that. But apparently that is not true. It is highly desired right now.

What should be done is that a company that makes anime and manga starts up and guess what they do? They would hard restrictions on the content that they accept. They would say that the story has to be as engrossing as possible without resorting to appeal to sex. We would then see if the market actually wants stuff like that.

The fact being is that bill lives to categories of media alone. It leaves books and live action alone. Ishihara is already known to have published books that are very erotic in nature and they deal with high school students. I will not go into the specifics of the books.
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xly15 wrote:

Illincrux, It should not have to be done through forcible government regulation. It should be done through more civilized means. The free market should take care of it. If the people buying the anime and manga desire stuff with more story and less sex then it would shift that. But apparently that is not true. It is highly desired right now.

What should be done is that a company that makes anime and manga starts up and guess what they do? They would hard restrictions on the content that they accept. They would say that the story has to be as engrossing as possible without resorting to appeal to sex. We would then see if the market actually wants stuff like that.

The fact being is that bill lives to categories of media alone. It leaves books and live action alone. Ishihara is already known to have published books that are very erotic in nature and they deal with high school students. I will not go into the specifics of the books.


The reason the manga publishers all got pissed off and are boycotting TAF is because the Gov.t refuses to talk with regards to self regulation, they're just ignoring all their complaints about the bill.
It's also not about depictions of sex, that's all already regulated as to what gets 18+. The content on TV now shouldn't change much, manga may do.

The content dealing with rape, and other acts disruptive to social order being shown in a positive light (not sure about exact wording). is the problem. That is very, very vague. It could be read to mean anime containing any criminal act at all, or all the sexual ones, including minor ones like harrasment.

The bit against depictions of incest (relationships where the marriage would be illegal) could be read very badly as well, possible banning most BL, yuri, and anything dealing with a teacher-student relationship.

Remeber this isn't if they're already 18+ this is for things dealing with them as a serious plot point as well.
It's possibly going to hit shoujo manga very hard, which tends to deal with some of the taboo relationships.
xly15
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I would actually prefer the Anime and Manga industry to self-regulate like the video game industry did with the ESRB. Like Reaper_g said the industry was not really given a chance to self-regulate or even be included in the bill's discussion. They learned about the added measures like a month before the vote. The industry was actually wanting to self-regulate, but Ishihara wanted nothing to do with their plan.
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Ishihara is just abusing his power right now. Tho i can't agree with this bill at all. A lot of parents like to put the blame on other people but never like to admit their own faults. If they don't want their children to be watching things like this then they simply shouldn't let them. How ever if kids really want to watch it they will find a way. so why bother putting a ban on it. it really isn't going to stop anything really. Kids watch porn all the time, and there is nothing anyone can really do about it. So trying to ruin other peoples hobbies in a feeble attempt to "protect" the children is something that only an idiot would try.
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xly15 wrote:

I would actually prefer the Anime and Manga industry to self-regulate like the video game industry did with the ESRB.


You do realize the ESRB is pretty much completely corrupt by the supporters that throw money at them right? They basically say whether or not your game can go on the shelves and can pretty much give any rating they want to give with zero regards.

Self-Regulation never worked and never will!!!

A prime example is the Wall Street bailout which has sent the worlds most powerful country to crumble bit by bit...



kajih wrote:

If they don't want their children to be watching things like this then they simply shouldn't let them.


I've heard this crap time and time again.

Yes, parents can take precautions to protect their children but only to a certain degree without locking them in a closest until they're legal. As a community (which has been made global), it is up to all of us to take charge of our governments and to utilize them to create safe-guards against the masses of twisted individuals.

As the proverb goes "it takes a village to raise a child", and whether you choose to agree or disagree with it...The fact still remains that we are all responsible for our actions, whether they are direct or indirect, each of them has an impact on us all thanks to the Six Degrees of Separation.

So yeah, enough about that non-sense about everything being totally up to the parents because it just doesn't work that way!
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xbox432 wrote:

Please don't let this bill pass, damnit I'm a guy that likes watching people get eviserated and actual blood go flying, I like watching anime and seeing cute girls that couldn't actually exist. Anime, after it goes though the american editing (aparently we're to SENSITIVE for all the violence and H content) is already so bad that I don't even bother watching it, I get subbed animeso I can actualy enjoy it. If they have problems with it get a better rating process to differentiate the levels of appropriate anime for little kids. And as a previous poster said nothing we see in anime is gonna harm teenage kids they see worse in the movies/ internet/ school everyday they their prudish parents see in their bedroom. ...well I guess thatconcludes my rant, HELL NO TO BILL 156!


I agree with this guy. To me anime is my only escape from reality. Not seeing any cute herion in Anime just make it imperfect in my opinion... I would start to IGNORE every single Japanese people if they pass this BILL 156... The Japanese government should also take into account that, Japanese are not the only country that watch anime; If they are going to do this, they should make a survey asking the whole world (Only those who watch anime).
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