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Death Penalty Debate
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Posted 5/5/07

Jorlwind wrote:

We can't progress until we fix what's broken. So thus we can't drop it until the alternative works effectively.


We'll never know if it works without erroe if we don't try it. The death penalty is holding back new ideas. Not only do I want to progress and change the system (liberal viewpoint) but I want to change the system. period. (revolutionist viewpoint)
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nice one bukky ^^
you too chocofluff

BUT WOULD YOU AGREE TO ME THAT IF I PUT UP A SNIPER's NEST IN THE MIDDLE OF EDSA WITH A SHOOT-TO-KILL ORDER TO ANYONE WHO JAYWALKS, WITHIN A WEEK OR LESS THERE'd BE NO ONE JAYWALKING ON EDSA?

well, that's so long as the sniper's nest is there.
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I'm sure people would stop jaywalking. I also think that is a little too radical for me, haha. As for major crimes, I don't see why your example applies. There is a death penalty, and people still commit murders.

Think of the death penalty like this. You do have your snipers nest. But sometimes people are just really really late and take a chance and try to dodge the bullet.
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Posted 5/5/07

blacksun0918 wrote:

nice one bukky ^^
you too chocofluff

BUT WOULD YOU AGREE TO ME THAT IF I PUT UP A SNIPER's NEST IN THE MIDDLE OF EDSA WITH A SHOOT-TO-KILL ORDER TO ANYONE WHO JAYWALKS, WITHIN A WEEK OR LESS THERE'd BE NO ONE JAYWALKING ON EDSA?

well, that's so long as the sniper's nest is there.


True. But there would still be people jaywalking everywhere else. What matters primarily in most people's decisions of whether to break the law is the chance of punishment, not the severity. If you have strong punishments that are weakly enforced, you won't get much change. Conversely more moderate punishment with high enforcement rates will be effective.

Edit: generally I oppose the death penalty for pragmatic reasons. As others have said the advent of dna evidence has demonstrated that the criminal process yields a high amount of false positives. Whoops!
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^ I didn't really get that. @ choco

Just make sure you have your definition of Jaywalking right. It's only jaywalking(here) if you impede the flow of traffic.
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^^ guys i guess we should forget about the jaywalking example of mine.

but what im trying to say here is:
let the rules get cocky and we'll see if those criminals would dare. A few example of victims of this powerful implementation of the law and its punishment would give the grave chills to these criminals.

ehem. but of course, can't tell if that'd be true unless someone tries. and stop being too kind.
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the sniper idea is a bit radical, almost joseff stalin radical. it wont be effective. institutionalize something like that here and the government will surely be overthrown. the point of the legal system is to punish according to your crime. jaywalking and death is cruel and unusual, protected by the 8th amendment.

its true that maybe the death penalty is holding back progress, but if we abandon it and try something new, but then it fails horribly, itd be too much trouble. especially at this point. i can guarantee that nothing will be done about this, about abortion, about affirmative action, about social security, about medicare, etc until after the "war" in iraq.

for now, i say keep it. experiment when times are a bit..calmer.
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@red

yeah i know the sniper idea is outrageous. ^^
what im trying to pinpoint here is that "no criminal would dare exist in the hands of a vicious and tight force of the law" (or who knows???).
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A military Dictatorship? Where there are elections but if you vote for the wrong candidate you are killed? Fear = control? That stuff has already happened, I try to avoid it. Anything moving closer to big Brother I try to steer clear of.
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yea. if anything i would like ideas that will keep the republic intact. dictatorships are ehhhh to me.
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well, seeing what happened here in the Philippines during the Marcos Regime, dictatorships are risky. very very risky. especially with a Filipino leader i guess.

but i believed in the phrase (well, it's suppose to say something like this) "The only time bad people rejoice is when good people do nothing (or dont do enough)".
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I kinda agree, okay some people have actually killed before and they get to spend the rest of their life in jail, which is bad but they atleast they have something [life] that they took from their victim, and often the families of the victim see the case as "an eye for an eye" or if someone kills an innocent person, that someone should be killed also, now what I don't agree with is the justice system which has made errors before that has caused some innocent people to die of execution, in the end the american justice system is just the views and opinions of certain people [judge, jury, lawyers, prosecutors] so in fear of the innocent being killed with the uncertain justice system I think executioning should be banned altogether
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chocofluffywhip wrote:
Anything moving closer to big Brother I try to steer clear of.


agreed.
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Of course the families would believe in an eye for an eye, but that's biased. I don't think anyone should have the right to take away life, because we are all biased in some way, and life is the greatest thing you can take from someone. I think it's obvious that I don't want innocents to be killed, and that happens far too often. ! is too much anyway.

I see where blacksun's comment on the good not doing enough comes into play, but does that mean we are going about the situation the wrong way and need to adapt or we are not using the death penalty losley enough? It could stand for either depending on your opinion.
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but then what? jails with the current system are over crowded as it is. you know here in nevada, they are cutting afterschool, music, tutoring, and many other benefits for children to and shifting those funds to build more prisons. yea. and nevada is one of the states that doesnt have the death penalty.
o my last post was in response to a1q2s3 btw..
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