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Death Penalty Debate
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^ oh hookie but that was just in reply to the They took someones loved one...the same could be said the other way around that if you put the victims relatives an suchs feelings into play then why not the criminals...each side would have loss a life, if the person goes to jail they can atleast see them or call them ya know..send a letter...



Ok, to clarify myself, I'm not into playing the "I'm so sad *sob* *sob* that my child was killed. He needs death sentence" or the "Waaaaahhh.. My son killed, but I want him to live..." It's all about the suspect(s) and the victim(s), and maybe economical crap and etc.. but not emotions of family/friends. I know it's sad they can't send letters to mommy when they're killed, but as I said before some people don't deserve to have those "happy" moments for killing, and sending letters to mommy sure seems like one of those moments. They took away a person's chance to have a "happy" moment, so they must lose theirs, too. It depends on how they killed, why they killed, and how brutal it is, and other emotions of the victim(s) and suspect(s)... but other than that nothing really should be put into play besides that.

Vajmichael, you got offended? I'm sorry but some of them teach good lessons and some teach "good" lessons (pure crap). But nobody can really play the judge of if it's good/bad, I mean if we based laws completely off of stuff we learned in Religious texts the world would be a mess. "Gays go to death!" "No one night stands!" and sh*t like that...
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^^Hookie: yeah I got your statement b4 my comment wasnt toward your post though...someone else posted about the family members so that was just a counter to their statement...

I agree though Religion has no place in the adult world *woot*...jk but seriously I don't think religion has a place in schools, the legal system, the gorvn...you don't need religions to have morals...and a lot of religions dont always agree on certain things, and then their are atheist to consider...so using it wouldnt be fair in a court of law..

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^ Neo: uh they arent always killed immediately...so either way your money is going to go to all above mentioned...plus the high expense for the actual killing!!!...

And again the eye for an eye thing doesnt really work as a good theory...i mean your saying killing someone should be treated with death, but then if the person kills the criminal doesnt that make them breaking the law...so should they be put to death too...and then who ever kills them would have to be killed too..and then...you get it MAHA!!!
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^^ I agree the system needs to redesigned >.<... I think atm it's ok... but not really good. The punishment itself is sad, but is to me completely fair. And as stated before it has been proven that putting them to death takes up more money, but I don't care... most of these people deserve it. And we really need to do something about Juries... some of them are crap, and of course the "Defense" team and the "Persecution" team thing really annoys me too.. It's a god damn "He said, She said" game, which leads to people going "uh... OOo he spoke better, so he's the good guy!" >.< Bah...

^ Lilprince, the reason it's considered "fair" is because who else is going to give him the "Eye for an eye", not really himself. The person who put him to death didn't really "Murder" him IMO, he just was the "Eye for an Eye" and of course... it's not "An Eye for an Eye for an Eye" >.<
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I looked for this topic and found none. If there is one, go remove this or lock it please.

Personally, I'm against it. If you look closely, it's against the law but the law still does it. According to Amendment 13, "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted", but isn't killing/executing an unusual and cruel punishment especially if the person is innocent?


Actually no...It is far less cruel and unusual than imprisoning them, where the environment tears apart their very mind and soul, often perpetuating ones involvement in crime after release. Often there has been an emphasis in the modern Western society in making execution as swift and painless as possible.


The Death Penalty is also against most religions such as Christianity. One of the more important in the Ten Commandments which is 'Thou shall not kill' no matter what the crime the individual has committed.

Since 1973, at least 121 people have been released from death row after evidence of their innocence emerged. During the same period of time, over 982 people have been executed. Thus, for every eight people executed, we have found one person on death row who never should have been convicted. These statistics represent an intolerable risk of executing the innocent.


Execution of the innocent is indeed unforgivable and indeed it is a failure of our legal system when such a thing occurs, but a Christian would easily see that an innocent person who happens to be righteous and believes in God would go to Heaven.


Our capital punishment system is unreliable. A recent study by Columbia University Law School found that two thirds of all capital trials contained serious errors. When the cases were retried, over 80% of the defendants were not sentenced to death and 7% were completely acquitted.


Still more often reliable than it is unreliable...Human judgment is not always perfect you know; we do make mistakes...


And I'm not saying that we should let them go if they killed a hundred people. I'm saying that they should just keep them in jail for life. Will a quick death teach them a lesson than having to rot in jail and keep thinking of their major mistake? Think outside the box.


And going back to cruel and unusual punishment...Shall we rack them while we are at it? Anyways, you do realize how much more expensive it is to confine them than it is to terminate them, right? Incarceration requires large-scale, complex, state of the art prisons that need people to run them - an expensive endeavor - space becomes limited; more must be built...See a pattern?


So tell me, are you against the death penalty or for it. And why?


Personally, I do not particularly like the death penalty as is, but I do believe that it is necessary...Reform in the courts might help a bit, but the real problem lies in why there are people willing to commit crimes, like murder, and thus be deserving of the death penalty in the first place...Might we find a way of improving society in some way to prevent such people from being created? Fix the environment that they are brought up in, [largely] fix the problem...Or maybe we could just go back to public executions; then again living in a state of fear is not all that fun and it would require that the US become more like a police state to be able to do it...Oh well, I digress...
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^^ yeah it is still murder...there are no two ways about it...either killing is wrong or it isnt...ppl cant pick and chose when its right...and who has the right...

but its mute...it happens anyway...
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HokiePokie, I disagree with your statement that the world would be a mess if the things that are learned in the religious texts were applied. There is only one condition and that is if all people were extremely knowledgeable of their religious text. Yet, somehow, an elite group of people, usually men, rise to power while the rest just become dumb sheep that knows nothing but follow those men. More often than not, these men misuse their power for their own gain. This has been a repeated tragedy. So everyone at all times must be knowledgeable of their respective religious text.

It's not just application of the law nor having a leveled playing field, we must also have a humanitarian view also. But it seems that these days, you also need to have a understanding of the psychology of the human brain and many other things. So it's not just being knowledgeable but also having understanding and discernment.

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^ I guess I'm flawed since I have no respective religious text. :3
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I strongly support the death penalty, if some one was dumb enough to kill one of MINE and was allowed to live the rest of his life in prison, I'd be posted outside of that court house with my rifle cocked with me in a good sniper hide, or if God forbid he gets off scott free, you can look forward to finding his body parts

Sure you could argue that whole "having time to think of the crime" thing, but guess what?, there are people in this world who kill and could never suffer one ounce of guilt, Me being a prime example, if I feel I have good reason to kill someone, I would do it in half of a heartbeat

But that's how I operate, in the words of Frank Castle"it's not revenge, it's punishment", and I have varying degrees of pinishment I can inflict on another human being for varying offenses against me and my family, Death being the most severe, it's about the same with the law

Edit=and it's not taking God's job and judging another person, it's more like setting up the meeting and speeding up the process a bit
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@ hokie. Well, this is the first time I heard you say something I agree with. Idk all your beliefs, chances are there is more the one thing I agree with you on.

And I think the death penalty is only acceptible in cases of murder. If someone is willing to conciously and willingly kill another human being. Then they forefit their life. If you kill someone for trying to kill you or someone else it's self defence. What if you got there too late and he already killed them? If you can kill trying to protect someone before the murderer kills them, then why shouldn't it be right to seek justice if he succeeds?
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^^It would be worse for them to rot in prison for the rest of there life then just being shot and dying. Unless you really torchered them which is just wrong to me. Alot of them might get off eventually though and that is where our government fails and then that would be the time to kill them.
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Ok you can't say just the death penalty is flawed, cuz, in reality, are entire justice system is flawed. Juries are prone to stereotypes and innocent people get convicted of crimes no matter the punshishment.

Also I do not like the death penalty, not because it is cruel, but because it is not enough. The maxium sentence should be isolation for the rest of your life. What is worse, no human contact for the rest of your life, or a quick, maybe, painless death? Call me cynical, but that's just what I believe, although I doubt that would ever happen

Also do you think someone who has murdered multiple people should get cut any breaks? Do you think that they deserve a quick painless death? Well I don't, and yes I'm christian, I just don't think that serial rapists or murders should get any breaks...and again you can call me cynical, I'm just saying what I believe

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lilprince wrote:

^^ yeah it is still murder...there are no two ways about it...either killing is wrong or it isnt...ppl cant pick and chose when its right...and who has the right...

but its mute...it happens anyway...


Of course people can chose when it is right or when it is wrong. Do you think the civil war was fought without a single shot fired? Thousands of men were killed in that war, yet the solderis who killed them (for the most part) were not charged of murder. This is because it was understood that they committed a crime in order to further the development of our nation, namely to stop slavery and the seperation of the south. The law is in the eye of the beholder, and in our world, the beholder is the government.


like I said murder is murder...ppl in war what do they do they kill ppl its murder...like I said no two ways about it...and ya I realize the law is the final word...I'm just pointing out the flaws in the Eye for an eye, and if one kills they should be killed...killing is killing for what ever reason...


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^^It would be worse for them to rot in prison for the rest of there life then just being shot and dying. Unless you really torchered them which is just wrong to me. Alot of them might get off eventually though and that is where our government fails and then that would be the time to kill them.


Not where I'm shooting him, it'll be painful and slow, murdering one of my people is a crime against me and my family, it's worst then a spit in our faces, it being a crime against US, it's only fair that WE, choose what happens to him, our family in Africa would do worse than putting a bullet through their throat or testicles, they'd cut off a few things, and chop off the head to set it on display later as a reminder.

We here in America, would offer easier ways of departing this Earth
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Lilprince, there is a difference in killing in war and murder, murder is basically killing someone for personal reasons, other than survial, while killing in war could be classified as self defence.

And I do agree that there are flaws in an eye for an eye system since if you kill someone for killing one person does that make the system better than the murder? I believe that the death penalty should be saved for extreme cases such as serial murders and rapists, or a murder in an extremely inhuman way, such as excessive torture
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i dont care if every one think that Death Penalty is bad i fell that is is good, great even, i am from texas and texas has one of the lowest crime rate in the USA why because we will kill you....now yes good people sometimes get the Death Penalty...but they where still in prison and the people that say OMG you should not kill them has never seen or been to prison it is murder...come on...the Death Penalty is not crule and once again i point to prison now that is a messed...so before we go and start talking about how people in prison are people and have rights, stop and think about the person they killed, the famliy that is missing there dad, brother,mother...or that girl that cant look any one in the face cause she was Raped...when you do something that bad you need to DIE.
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