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My concern is actually paying them dividends in "cash" (or rather, actual money) instead of empowering the mentoring program in and of itself.


Unfortunately, financial incentive is one of those powerful means of motivating those that would otherwise not be.
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another bad idea
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Cydoemus wrote:
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My concern is actually paying them dividends in "cash" (or rather, actual money) instead of empowering the mentoring program in and of itself.


Unfortunately, financial incentive is one of those powerful means of motivating those that would otherwise not be.


Understandable.
It's just an unfortunate reality and the biggest area of my concern regarding this program.
I'm all for helping young adults to work themselves off of being on the streets, committing crimes.
The issue is that holding a financial incentive over their head may only be a short-term fix and doesn't actually provide the person with the opportunities that the program is meant to be designed to do.
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Cydoemus wrote:
Understandable.
It's just an unfortunate reality and the biggest area of my concern regarding this program.
I'm all for helping young adults to work themselves off of being on the streets, committing crimes.
The issue is that holding a financial incentive over their head may only be a short-term fix and doesn't actually provide the person with the opportunities that the program is meant to be designed to do.


Have to start somewhere, and putting in effort for monetary reward at least gets some people into the grind of putting forth effort. Those young adults being unable to find a job however--that's a symptom of a much, much larger problem society is encountering with AI advancement. Short terms solutions are what the government offers though because people desire the immediate fix--what costs time and money is politically detrimental in many cases.

When time comes to address the issue, too late it will most certainly be.

All that being said--there's little a city may do with the powers it has. Financial motivation, goal orienting and job training is not the worst remedy I can think of for a systemic crime problem.
Posted 9/6/17 , edited 9/6/17

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Unfortunately, financial incentive is one of those powerful means of motivating those that would otherwise not be.


Not a very good incentive since it didn't stop half of the people using it from "relapsing" into violent crime in Richmond.

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So now they can go out and get more ammo and guns wtf wrong with people figures you got a liberal mayor.
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Not a very good incentive since it didn't stop half of the people using it from "relapsing" into violent crime in Richmond.


Do you read things and twist them into your ideological narrative at the same time? It's quite remarkable. Richmond reported approximately 50% decrease in firearm assaults--that isn't "50% of those enrolled (or had been enrolled) in the program committed crime with a firearm".

Try to read things multiple times to avoid your bias from manipulating presented information so blatantly.
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Richmond reported approximately 50% decrease in firearm assaults-


That's not true though. And if it was, "gun violence" has only been decreasing nation wide since the 90s, so it would've had jackshit to do with this program to give violent criminals welfare to not be violent criminals.

Holy shit, I just did some more reading up on this program and the person who created it


That question came to a head at Boggan’s office inside Richmond City Hall in 2011. Several program participants, perhaps unsurprisingly, belonged to rival gangs. So on a mid-October day, after the young men arrived at the same time to meet Boggan’s mentors, an argument erupted in the parking lot. Things only got worse once they got inside. A brawl broke out. Someone’s nose got smashed. And the cops showed up. But when they questioned Boggan, he declined to answer. Boggan says the cops threatened him with obstruction of justice, but he never snitched. “This was a pivotal moment, and it took the trust level between us and the guys to another level.”


Trash protecting violent trash.
Couple that with this
http://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/In-Richmond-many-murders-go-unsolved-11055724.php

I wonder how many participants he's covered for?
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PrinceJudar wrote:


Cydoemus wrote:
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My concern is actually paying them dividends in "cash" (or rather, actual money) instead of empowering the mentoring program in and of itself.


Unfortunately, financial incentive is one of those powerful means of motivating those that would otherwise not be.


I'd have to agree. Having lived in Cali for a bit, money is the sole value of the state community.
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That's not true though. And if it was, "gun violence" has only been decreasing nation wide since the 90s, so it would've had jackshit to do with this program to give violent criminals welfare to not be violent criminals. [...]



... from 2010 to 2016...




Do I have to read everything for you, or can you handle it?
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finally thugs can now be paid to do nothing! as a bonus they don't have to steal it! sounds about right, California has some crazy laws, some stupid and other things they do are down right insane. now, if they would apply that money to get rid of the thugs instead of adding more...
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What you incentivise you get more of.

Now if they put those gang members up against a wall with a blindfold and one last cigarette...

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i'm sure they will want more soon or later-- it's like protection money of sort
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