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I'm in Corpus Christi. We boarded the house and stayed put since the storm track put us on the western side, which has a lot less serious winds. We lost part of a fence and went without electricity for a week, but otherwise fine. People just across the bay from us (on the east side of the storm) lost their houses. It was awful.

I'm thinking a lot about Florida now. Got friends and family there. I hope everyone stays safe.
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i'm in coastal SC, we'll probably be evacuating within the next few days. Schools have already closed down and people already leaving. I will wait for official announcement and for lane reversal on interstate before I evacuate
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I hope you stay safe. There are tons of tips out there on what to do before during and after a hurricane. See if you can prep as much as possible beforehand. It could be several days without electricity and safe drinking water (usually there's a boil warning). It breaks my heart knowing there's nothing a lot of people can do in these situations except ride it out, which is difficult to hear. Keep us updated.
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Getting the house boarded up with my dad, and stuff packed in case we need to go. Anyway stay safe other Florida people.
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We're in the Tampa area, but not right on the coast (or bay). Because of the shape of the state and where hurricanes usually originate, we're fairly sheltered from direct hits. Hurricanes lose power over land. Also, there is a big difference between the damage to mobile home parks and the more permanent construction. I've lived here all my life, weathered Elena and others.
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Jose looks like it will veer off into the ocean more but its still going to hit everything up to Puerto Rico that's already been leveled by Irma.

The idiot at the head of the EPA on the other hand is saying now isn't the time to talk about climate change or indeed any cause and effect related to hurricanes. We should just be focusing on handling the damage. 4 straight hurricanes ( with 3 currently active including Katia ) is no reason to start asking questions or listening to climate scientists.

Just because the leopard is eating your face is no reason to ask where the leopard came from, how its in your living room or whether or not there's more on front lawn. You should just focus on the amount of stitches and reconstructive surgery you'll need.

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runec wrote:

Jose looks like it will veer off into the ocean more but its still going to hit everything up to Puerto Rico that's already been leveled by Irma.

The idiot at the head of the EPA on the other hand is saying now isn't the time to talk about climate change or indeed any cause and effect related to hurricanes. We should just be focusing on handling the damage. 4 straight hurricanes ( with 3 currently active including Katia ) is no reason to start asking questions or listening to climate scientists.

Just because the leopard is eating your face is no reason to ask where the leopard came from, how its in your living room or whether or not there's more on front lawn. You should just focus on the amount of stitches and reconstructive surgery you'll need.



I mean, we've had worse hurricane seasons before, like the Katrina season (though depending on how bad Irma is, it might end up being different) back in...2005 wasn't it?

Obviously, climate change is a real thing that needs to be addressed. This is obvious if you have even a very basic understanding of the relevant science and decades of collected data on the subject, though a lot of people attempt to treat this as some political issue. Rather than, you know, as the settled science that has been settled in the exact same manner that all scientific areas are settled.

But claiming "CLIMATE CHANGE BAD" because of a hurricane being bad is not a valid point to make, any more so than when someone has a particularly high snowfall and then uses that as evidence that global warming is a hoax or something equally absurd.

Anyway, I sincerely hope that the damage is kept to a minimum, but it looks like it is going to hit Florida pretty much directly, and there's nothing to really stop it from increasing in strength at this point. Worst case scenario, this could be a far worse disaster than even the most recent hurricane that hit in Texas.
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runec wrote:

Jose looks like it will veer off into the ocean more but its still going to hit everything up to Puerto Rico that's already been leveled by Irma.

The idiot at the head of the EPA on the other hand is saying now isn't the time to talk about climate change or indeed any cause and effect related to hurricanes. We should just be focusing on handling the damage. 4 straight hurricanes ( with 3 currently active including Katia ) is no reason to start asking questions or listening to climate scientists.

Just because the leopard is eating your face is no reason to ask where the leopard came from, how its in your living room or whether or not there's more on front lawn. You should just focus on the amount of stitches and reconstructive surgery you'll need.





Woooow 4 Straight hurricanes... not like its never been a year with more ever occurring.

So by that logic global warming should of been killed us in the 30s?

2017 isn't even in the top 15 of active hurricane seasons and its doom and gloom? Jeez... take a step back, relax, and realize its not as bad as you want to make it out to be.

Heck, even if you want to shout doom and gloom about Irma's strength it's not like its the strongest ever, or alone by any means.



Drop the politics and be worrying about the people.
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Woooow 4 Straight hurricanes... not like its never been a year with more ever occurring.


4 strong hurricanes happening back to back is definitely noteworthy. it's also worth noting that a storm may not necessarily become a hurricane. in fact, if you were to check 2005
(ranked at the top of "hurricane season"), you'd notice that there was virtually zero category 4 or above, and most of them didn't even reach category 1. of all 28 listed storms, a grand total of 5 became active hurricanes (category 1+), 4 of which in category 3 and the remaining one barely being a hurricane, at category lol 1. (most didn't even hit the US at all - "No US Landfall")

compare that with Harvey (category 4), Irma (Category 5), Jose (quickly advanced from nothing into category 3, and it could advance even further), and others.
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But claiming "CLIMATE CHANGE BAD" because of a hurricane being bad is not a valid point to make, any more so than when someone has a particularly high snowfall and then uses that as evidence that global warming is a hoax or something equally absurd.


It's a perfectly valid point to make because that's what the science is telling us. And while it's telling us that we have a climate change denier in charge of the EPA at a time when nature is putting a pretty fine point on just how devastating cat 4-5 hurricanes can be. Even NOAA's own models have them projecting a 30% increase in the level of sheer damage Hurricanes cause to Atlantic basin by the end of the century. Due to increasing Hurricane strength. And that projection doesn't even include other factors like rising sea levels.

So no, its not equally absurd. What's absurd is putting a climate change denying idiot in charge of the EPA at a time when the window is rapidly closing for us to do something about the problem looming before us.







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even though it is chaotic I do give your govern credit since he is trying to get people to plan ahead so there won't be some issues that have happened with other hurricanes are you alright eggsama? how is your family doing? I live in Minnesota so we get tornadoes and that's the closest to a hurricane
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Nasigno wrote:
Drop the politics and be worrying about the people.


Its not politics. See above.

Politics is appointing a political officer to review EPA grants with instructions to be on the look out for anything that mentions "climate change".

That's politics.

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runec wrote:


dichologos wrote:
But claiming "CLIMATE CHANGE BAD" because of a hurricane being bad is not a valid point to make, any more so than when someone has a particularly high snowfall and then uses that as evidence that global warming is a hoax or something equally absurd.


It's a perfectly valid point to make because that's what the science is telling us. And while it's telling us that we have a climate change denier in charge of the EPA at a time when nature is putting a pretty fine point on just how devastating cat 4-5 hurricanes can be. Even NOAA's own models have them projecting a 30% increase in the level of sheer damage Hurricanes cause to Atlantic basin by the end of the century. Due to increasing Hurricane strength. And that projection doesn't even include other factors like rising sea levels.

So no, its not equally absurd. What's absurd is putting a climate change denying idiot in charge of the EPA at a time when the window is rapidly closing for us to do something about the problem looming before us.





“Most Republicans still do not regard climate change as a hoax,” said Whit Ayres, a Republican strategist who worked for Senator Marco Rubio’s presidential campaign. “But the entire climate change debate has now been caught up in the broader polarization of American politics.”
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“In some ways,” he added, “it’s become yet another of the long list of litmus test issues that determine whether or not you’re a good Republican.”




most public opinion polls find that voters rank the environment last or nearly last among the issues that they vote on....This year, concern among ... Republicans, it has fallen, to 18 percent.

Until people vote on the issue, Republicans will find it politically safer to question climate science and policy than to alienate moneyed groups like Americans for Prosperity.

so, if the Republican strategist is right on the money, Republicans don't actually doubt climate change, but due to politics
(and a s_ ton of lobbying by the oil industry), the Republican party took the role of Climate Change deniers.
not because they don't believe in it, but because they fear losing their seat in Congress.
NYT: How G.O.P. Leaders Came to View Climate Change as Fake Science
tl;dr politics messed everything up as usual.
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now i have that luke combs song stuck in my head
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namealreadytaken wrote:

4 strong hurricanes happening back to back is definitely noteworthy. it's also worth noting that a storm may not necessarily become a hurricane. in fact, if you were to check 2005
(ranked at the top of "hurricane season"), you'd notice that there was virtually zero category 4 or above, and most of them didn't even reach category 1. of all 28 listed storms, a grand total of 5 became active hurricanes (category 1+), 4 of which in category 3 and the remaining one barely being a hurricane, at category lol 1. (most didn't even hit the US at all - "No US Landfall")

compare that with Harvey (category 4), Irma (Category 5), Jose (quickly advanced from nothing into category 3, and it could advance even further), and others.


Even if you would want to go with that argument, the fact is still spun up more storms than this year, again you can use the argument quality over quantity, but the fact is quantity is an issue just as much. Let's be honest you cannot tell me if it was 40 Hurricanes this year, you'd not be pulling the same statement even if they were Cat 1 majority. And what does it matter if it had land fall or not? So what, if a Hurricane that produces 800 MPH winds spawns, but never hits land it is alright? Cause that is what that statement says to me.

It's been a decade since serious hurricanes, that might be something to think of before you go that this year is so bad. Next year might not have anything, heck it might be another decade or longer for the hurricane season to get even comparable to this year. It is just how it is, the last decade of data proves this point.



runec wrote:


Nasigno wrote:
Drop the politics and be worrying about the people.


Its not politics. See above.

Politics is appointing a political officer to review EPA grants with instructions to be on the look out for anything that mentions "climate change".

That's politics.



It's politics to bring in "THE EPA GUY APPOINTED BY TRUMP HATES CLIMATE CHANGE SCIENCE" into a discussion about Hurricanes. So, it is politics. You brought it into the discussion.

Either way, the day to day operations of the EPA are beyond either of our understanding, and I really don't care to try to figure out what crazy thing another Gov. organization is gonna waste tons of money into. I'd rather be worried about the existing issue in front of us, which is disaster preparedness and recovery. Cause guess what, that is only days away.

As for the climate change issue, when an fully viable and working model of how to fix issues is available, and when you can get the whole world in on it, then we can do something to marginally delay a natural process that will destroy us anyways. Its inevitable, ice ages existed before Humans, and plenty of ecological disasters are just sitting in waiting. So again, realize at the end of it, we are just delaying the inevitable.
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