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What happened?

Donald J Trump happened.

If the nominee has been "low energy" Jeb! or any of the other clown car republicans then it would have been Hillary by a massive landslide.
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What happened?

Donald J Trump happened.

If the nominee has been "low energy" Jeb! or any of the other clown car republicans then it would have been Hillary by a massive landslide.


That's just not true. Most Democrats had some level of apprehension for Hilary and they didn't like Trump, so voter turn out wasn't as high, and many voted out of party lines. You probably could of had Bill Cosby post scandal and still of won.
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There is no way "please clap" Jeb! would have won against Hillary.

He has the charisma of a 2 week old kitchen sponge and was burdened with the mill stone of the Bush last name. The republican turnout would have been at record lows whilst most democrats would crawl over broken glass to keep "another Bush" out of the white house.

In the debates, Hillary would have beaten him like a rented mule.

Having said all that, the other candidates may have been able to step up...

Hillary was and still is intensely disliked amongst Democrats. I will give you that.
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That's just not true. Most Democrats had some level of apprehension for Hilary and they didn't like Trump, so voter turn out wasn't as high, and many voted out of party lines. You probably could of had Bill Cosby post scandal and still of won.


While I agree that many people could have won against Hilary, including some of the Republican candidates, I doubt that Jeb specifically could have. People didn't want the status quo, and Jeb would have been considered status quo as much as Hilary. People didn't want a continuation of the Bush-Obama style policies and were tired of the Clinton-Bush line of succession.

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Besides, Jeb came nowhere near even getting past the primary.
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mxdan wrote:

That's just not true. Most Democrats had some level of apprehension for Hilary and they didn't like Trump, so voter turn out wasn't as high, and many voted out of party lines. You probably could of had Bill Cosby post scandal and still of won.


While I agree that many people could have won against Hilary, including some of the Republican candidates, I doubt that Jeb specifically could have. People didn't want the status quo, and Jeb would have been considered status quo as much as Hilary. People didn't want a continuation of the Bush-Obama style policies and were tired of the Clinton-Bush line of succession.

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Besides, Jeb came nowhere near even getting past the primary.


He was the favorite going in though.
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If the democrats want to win in 2020 they better put a muzzle on the Hillary
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all jokes aside. You are not serious about going are you ?

Don't waste hard earned money on these craps! I'm sure the local library will have the book available to borrow 1-2 week after the release date. I'm also sure you will hear about it soon all over the net

The title for the book should be " The People I Will Blame"

Excuse my language from this point on but the crooked hag is an attention whore-- she likes being in the spotlight and using the "victim card" on a regular basis

Champion for women ? except for the women who don't see eye to eye with her or the women raped by her husband ? -- they are bimbo and trailer trash no ?

It's not stronger together .. it's stronger divided. That's the message i'm getting from this woman. My guess is her Clinton Foundation didn't do so well with donations and the spotlight is no longer on her--- the book and the book tour is one of her attempts to get the spotlight back on her/bring in money again.. Look at me !! me ! me ! kind of thing

like i said before, she's like a rash that keep coming back.
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Poor dear didn't win!
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I have background on the 2016 election campaign on the macorscale: the most salient issue to the voters in the 2016 election are job security and Trump provide better promise on job security than Hillary. Due to this, Trump actually has the greater advantage in contrary to the articles from the mainstream news.
The news focus a lot on the division within the Republicans and mention that Republicans defect to Hillary but a similar situation occur for the Democrats as well due to a new conflict that cross the party lines; The Democratic Party and Republican Party are formed from the "economic left versus economic right" conflict but the new "social left versus social right" conflict had become a greater dividing force which change the pattern of alliance and allow new factions to control the two parties. The "Republicans for Hillary" are composed of the metropolitan high class, or those with prestige but lack historic prestige, while the "Democrats for Trumps" are the white working class, or those with historic prestige but now lack prestige.
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I wonder if she answers the question of why there was a reported 15,000 more votes cast in Chicago than there were registered voters?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/05/chicago-reported-thousands-more-votes-than-voters-in-2016-gop-official-says.html
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I have background on the 2016 election campaign on the macorscale: the most salient issue to the voters in the 2016 election are job security and Trump provide better promise on job security than Hillary. Due to this, Trump actually has the greater advantage in contrary to the articles from the mainstream news.
The news focus a lot on the division within the Republicans and mention that Republicans defect to Hillary but a similar situation occur for the Democrats as well due to a new conflict that cross the party lines; The Democratic Party and Republican Party are formed from the "economic left versus economic right" conflict but the new "social left versus social right" conflict had become a greater dividing force which change the pattern of alliance and allow new factions to control the two parties. The "Republicans for Hillary" are composed of the metropolitan high class, or those with prestige but lack historic prestige, while the "Democrats for Trumps" are the white working class, or those with historic prestige but now lack prestige.


I mean she did technically get more votes. But the 'Republicans for Hilary' base is nowhere near the size of margin that jumped to Trump after Bernie was opposed by many Democrats. It caused the party to fracture. Add to the fact that African American turnout was down by nearly 10% and you have a recipe for party change.

But your right on the job security focus, even if most of those promises were empty words with no real plan of substance. Hilary did poorly in the states where this was the issue. She failed to communicate on a fundamental level with these voters. Partly because I think she may be incapable of doing so on a superficial level. She just doesn't sound like she gives a shit and people were desperately searching for authenticity this election.


“Several million voters didn’t come out to vote,” Becker said. “Which is telling me that this idea of the Trump wave, a huge number of voters shifting over to Trump, is certainly not the story.”

Nationally, the number of people who voted for Trump were only slightly ahead of those who supported the last Republican presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, in 2012.

But Becker said that while turnout in purple states like Florida and Pennsylvania had a slight uptick this year, at least 19 other states saw lower turnout rates compared with 2012, a scenario that is antithetical to presidential-year voting that tends to increase each cycle when an incumbent is not a part of the race.

According to Becker, turnout rates dropped by 1.3 percent in Iowa, 3 percent in Wisconsin and nearly 4 percent in Ohio in 2016, a combination that became a death knell for Clinton’s presidential hopes in areas where Obama performed well during his two terms.

Fourteen states installed new restrictive voting laws, which have historically targeted minorities, before the 2016 election, including in Wisconsin and Ohio. And this general election was the first since the Supreme Court struck down a key provision of the Voting Rights Act in 2013 that required federal approval on any state election law.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/voter-turnout-2016-elections/
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I mean she did technically get more votes.


Fraudulent votes.
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mxdan wrote:

I mean she did technically get more votes.


Fraudulent votes.


She did win the zombie vote and the non-american vote. #deadpeoplemattertoo
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mxdan wrote:

I mean she did technically get more votes.


Fraudulent votes.


Not proven. Look Trump won what mattered. Hillary lost, all according to the rules of the game. It doesn't make Trump any less president to loose the popular vote, or have smaller crowds that Obama.

Hillary just didn't/doesn't understand that we elect feelings not content. Trump got elected because people somehow believe he will "Make America Great Again" Which contains no actual policy. Obama was "Change" and "Hope: Neither are policy. Bush was "Compassionate Conservatism" again not policy, just feelings. Democrats need to just move on from Hillary, she doesn't bring anything to a national stage that's going to resonate with voters. Hillary if she really wants to do them a favor needs to get out of the public light, just like she had been doing, this book is going to do nothing for her legacy.
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I want her to go away. Make money, write books, peddle your influence, whatever. Just stay out of public politics.
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