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My idea of love is an unhealthy one, for I have a burgeoning desire to swear everlasting fealty to the one I deem worthy of it, someone whose words are my principles. Essentially...

"Don't ask me to leave you and turn back. I will go where you go and live where you live. Your people will be my people, and your God will be my God. Where you die I will die, and there I will be buried."

I want my purpose to be all for my master. I wish to exist only for them, and to ravage their enemies with my bare hands till every last opposition are piles mangled corpses. Yes, yes indeed, the one true love is an undying love, not unlike Homura from Madoka.


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As unhealthy as I realize this is, and best suited to fantasy, I admit, undying and unconditional loyalty is quite flattering. Don't mind me.
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This is what I think love is.


The best definition there is.

My wife out-loves me all the time.
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Is it real...who cares? I think it's better to concern yourself with how you perceive and define it and how that perception influences your life and whether or not it makes life enjoyable.

I'm fairly sure we all experience what could be called "love", but most people only subscribe to the "love" that is heavily romanticized and can only be experienced in certain contexts (Romantic "deep" "unconditional" love with someone else, usually similar to what is presented to us in media), vastly limiting, distorting, suppressing, and omitting other aspects of that experience.

Love can be seen as a spectrum, a wide variety of nuanced experience, ranging from friendship, consideration, respect, lust, passion, attachment, acceptance, likes, the agape love of Christianity, the Freudian idea of libido, even smothering love, love that is selfish, all that can range to varying degrees within themselves. This view is similar to the visible color spectrum of light where Lust could be red and the agape love could be white, but it's all light at the end of the day. In this sense you always have it, there's no need to gain it or have it given to you, all you really need to do is move and cultivate the love you do currently have into other aspects of your life if you so choose. I think this view gives life more depth and enjoyment.

On the other hand you can have an idealized limited dichotomy view of love that either you experience it in a specific way or you don't.

I think it's odd that people seem to be content with the latter, or even to be convinced that's what it really is.
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If love was real, then I think the divorce rate would be lower and people wouldn't cheat so much.

Human beings don't look for love, they just want perfection and will constantly trade up to get it. They want the perfect looking wife/husband Or whoever has the most cash.

I may sound bitter but that's my experience with love. I know a lot of others who are much more lucky in the love game. And they say its real.

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If love was real, then I think the divorce rate would be lower and people wouldn't cheat so much.

Human beings don't look for love, they just want perfection and will constantly trade up to get it. They want the perfect looking wife/husband Or whoever has the most cash.

I may sound bitter but that's my experience with love. I know a lot of others who are much more lucky in the love game and they do fine.



Not sure of how that sounds on paper. A few bad relationships do not mean it does not "exist", though maybe I misunderstand your post. I am sorry if I did.

If one wants to look at it being a mixture of chemicals and natural processes, I think there is some discussion to be had. The above argument just seems a bit off.
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Seriously who would question this, love is an emotion of strong affection and can take many different forms, for example pets, family, lovers, food, etc, etc.

I suppose there are people who want to make this about religion, but there is that also.
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ghostlygirl wrote:

If love was real, then I think the divorce rate would be lower and people wouldn't cheat so much.

Human beings don't look for love, they just want perfection and will constantly trade up to get it. They want the perfect looking wife/husband Or whoever has the most cash.

I may sound bitter but that's my experience with love. I know a lot of others who are much more lucky in the love game and they do fine.



Not sure of how that sounds on paper. A few bad relationships do not mean it does not "exist", though maybe I misunderstand your post. I am sorry if I did.

If one wants to look at it being a mixture of chemicals and natural processes, I think there is some discussion to be had. The above argument just seems a bit off.


I think I sounded a bit more angry in my choice of words than I thought as I wrote the last post. I was going off of my limited experience with it. So I personally don't believe its real anymore. But as I have said, other people have had better luck with it.

But when you think about it, It's like an animal's mating season. Some mate for life, others don't. We compete with each other for the most desirable mate. That I guess in human terms may be the most physically attractive to bear children. or look at how much they can provide for the mate and babies. Also in human society, that would be money. And I do believe there is a chemical reaction when it comes to the attraction of someone to another.

I rewrote this post several times to try to explain it better , am I making any sense?

I think the concept of whether love is real or exists boils down to each individual's opinion. And judging by this thread, We all have very different views because we all had very different experiences with it or lack there of.
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love's real, but there's a big difference between lust and love. lust happens first, and if two people don't try to make a relationship last after lust has lost, then the relationship is a fail. it takes a lot to make a relationship prosper into something more than just the first few months of the encounter. trust is also vital in a relationship as well.


That's bs. Lust doesn't have to happen first. There are people who fall in love before lust. But the problem is most guys hit on girls they lust after because they mistake it for love. And if guys are only trying to get with girls for lust reasons, then most "relationships" are going to be out of lust.

But believe me, love can happen first.
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ghostlygirl wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


ghostlygirl wrote:

If love was real, then I think the divorce rate would be lower and people wouldn't cheat so much.

Human beings don't look for love, they just want perfection and will constantly trade up to get it. They want the perfect looking wife/husband Or whoever has the most cash.

I may sound bitter but that's my experience with love. I know a lot of others who are much more lucky in the love game and they do fine.



Not sure of how that sounds on paper. A few bad relationships do not mean it does not "exist", though maybe I misunderstand your post. I am sorry if I did.

If one wants to look at it being a mixture of chemicals and natural processes, I think there is some discussion to be had. The above argument just seems a bit off.


I think I sounded a bit more angry in my choice of words than I thought as I wrote the last post. I was going off of my limited experience with it. So I personally don't believe its real anymore. But as I have said, other people have had better luck with it.

But when you think about it, It's like an animal's mating season. Some mate for life, others don't. We compete with each other for the most desirable mate. That I guess in human terms may be the most physically attractive to bear children. or look at how much they can provide for the mate and babies. Also in human society, that would be money. And I do believe there is a chemical reaction when it comes to the attraction of someone to another.

I rewrote this post several times to try to explain it better , am I making any sense?

I think the concept of whether love is real or exists boils down to each individual's opinion. And judging by this thread, We all have very different views because we all had very different experiences with it or lack there of.


I think there has to be a clearer definition of "real love", so I agree with you. Though I think there is a nihilistic tone that obsesses over brain chemistry and such, and I am not quite sure how it disproves the notion, other than giving it a physical basis, rather than one concerning that of an immutable soul, which hardly seems different to me.

Ex. A similar example is the idea of psychological egoism, which implies that people cannot act selflessly, as they are obeying their desires on what they "want" to do. This seems fine, until one realizes that this depends on the idea of what selfishness is. Wanting the best for another is a type of desire one seeks to fill because they desire to, thus it is defined as selfish under the aforementioned definition. Yet, some would contest that selfishness is a concern with oneself versus that of others, which would also bring up the definition of magnanimity and goodwill as going against that. In that case, psychological egoism just defines selfishness differently, or even incorrectly.

Love is a natural process to forge cooperation and such for evolution and whatnot; I do not know in the end if that has any bearing whatsoever to more idealistic interpretations. I myself do not see why, but I need to think about it some more.
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If you delude yourself enough to see it.
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If you watch the Matrix 3, you'll hear a guy say love is a word.

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Aww *virtual huggss*
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XxRancid_RosexX wrote:

Seriously who would question this, love is an emotion of strong affection and can take many different forms, for example pets, family, lovers, food, etc, etc.

I suppose there are people who want to make this about religion, but there is that also.


I just like hating on it because I've never had a good experience with love
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Nope. Love is a load of garbage that the desperate and lonely cling onto so they don't feel alone.
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Nope. Love is a load of garbage that the desperate and lonely cling onto so they don't feel alone.


So what about what couples say?
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Some get numb from the taste of poison, others remember it only with pain. Then there are those who mock the ones to have lost their taste, themselves having tasted nothing at all -- ironic.
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