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Yes, we all know the story about L and Light, enough, enough about Death Note .

We all know someone who seems to excel at all tests without studying, natural flavor. Versus I am average, but I study really really hard on all subjects to make it to the top, artificial flavor.

Which one has a better taste? Natural flavor or artificial flavor? Who is supposed to dominate the hierarchy?

A distinction about east and west.

West:
If you are good at painting, become a painter. If you are good at singing, become a singer. If you are good at logic, become an engineer.

East:
Everyone become an engineer so you can make money and outsmart people.

The winner?
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Cannot be separated.

No winner.
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I'm the winner it's me.
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As stated above you cannot know white if we do not know black. You couldn't have something in the foreground if there was no background.

Everything is connected and exists in polarity that's just nature. But if you were to ask a personal opinion i would say the natural genius has an edge over the refined genius. Solely because the natural genius would have room for improvement of a skill with increased dedication and hard work.(possibly a bit more effort than the usual which due to their natural abilities isn't very much)

While the refined genius is already busting their ass and putting in 110% just to be on a level on par with the natural.

That's not to say that the refined genius cant overtake and surpass the natural genius. That is entirely possible and very likely if the natural genius takes it easy and rests on his laurels thinking that he doesn't have to put in effort or work hard due to his natural skill.


Hard work will outshine talent if talent doesnt work hard.
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Those natural test takers are lying about being natural.The only natural thing happening is they have a twisted affinity to focus on the topic, any one can do it, they just have to choose to position themselves to be that crazy. It's nothing out of reach and takes slot of work on the side to maintain yourself to in that state. No one comes out of the womb and just knows quantum.physics

I was friends with a genius in second grade, he was doing 7th grade material and destroying it, but I became friends with him to see how he did it. His parents brainwashed his ass so hard, spent enormous amounts of money to get him.the.most opportunities possible, and to focus on those topics, and he never ate sugar, ever. Apparently at Stanford now.
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fredreload wrote:

Which one has a better taste? Natural flavor or artificial flavor? Who is supposed to dominate the hierarchy?



Talent is basically erased after about six months of professional experience. It's because of what we call "ecological rationality" - talent and hard work aside, whatever you do every day is what your brain is designed to pick up on and rapidly excel at doing. Once you stop trying to do some abstract "good job" and are accomplishing actual meaningful tasks, your brain inherently decides these tasks are necessary for your survival and shifts them to high priority.

Which is why literally every professional artist and musician tells you over and over again, practice every day. Every bodybuilder and personal trainer says it too, work out every day. If you really want to be good at something, that's the key - do it every day. Consistency breeds excellence, chaos breeds failure.
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I believe you can make yourself smarter. If you can believe it you can achieve it. I also believe you can surpass a natural born genius with enough effort.

I remember reading about this person who became a math genius through sheer will power. He even used to be really bad at math. He was able to do any type of math problem in his head. His level of skill seemed god like. I'm not sure what his name is but I think it is Rudiger Balm. I'm sure that is not how he spelled his name.
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VegaStarX1 wrote:

I believe you can make yourself smarter. I also believe you can surpass a natural born genius with enough effort.


This is true, to an extent.
Those with a natural affinity towards intelligence often tend to become apathetic toward intellectual pursuits.
If a "natural born genius" decides to dismiss intellectual curiosity as a whole, they will only remain a genius in IQ and "perspective" alone.

For all intents and purposes, a natural born genius will always surpass the individual that "refined" their intellect if they are focused on the same fields or topics, with both being intellectually curious.
As PrinceJudar said, though, it's impossible to separate the two as it still requires some level of refinement even when you're naturally a "genius" (in IQ/perspective, but not of knowledge).
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Cydoemus wrote:


VegaStarX1 wrote:

I believe you can make yourself smarter. I also believe you can surpass a natural born genius with enough effort.


This is true, to an extent.
Those with a natural affinity towards intelligence often tend to become apathetic toward intellectual pursuits.
If a "natural born genius" decides to dismiss intellectual curiosity as a whole, they will only remain a genius in IQ and "perspective" alone.

For all intents and purposes, a natural born genius will always surpass the individual that "refined" their intellect if they are focused on the same fields or topics, with both being intellectually curious.
As PrinceJudar said, though, it's impossible to separate the two as it still requires some level of refinement even when you're naturally a "genius" (in IQ/perspective, but not of knowledge).


Even a natural born genius can stagnate and lower his IQ if he does not use his or her intellect long enough. Use it or lose it. The brain is like a muscle. If you do not use it enough, you will get dumber.

Throughout the years my intellect went up and down. When I allowed myself to stagnate I got dumber but when I challenged my mind and actually used it I got a lot smarter. During the past few years I became extremely intelligent. I even felt my brain grow.

A positive mind set helped a lot in terms of increasing my intelligence and letting go of the concept of being a limited being was also a factor in becoming a better version of myself.


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Having a high IQ does not mean that you have wisdom or common sense
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From the perspective of an A-level student, I would say the "natural" flavor in this particular case. Although, the artificial individual I wouldn't brand as being artificial, just because you work hard and study, it doesn't make you artificial, actually in particular areas it may equip you with a superior knowledge over that of the "natural" genius. But here I think the common misconception is that intelligent people are automatically good people and good leader, and should therefore dominate society, this isn't the case. Intelligent people are usually far more narcissistic, pretentious and toxic than those with a lesser intelligent, coming from someone who spends a good portion of their time around people who could be considered to be geniuses, most of them are entirely toxic.

In regards to your "West and east" point, Functionalism teaches us that people should work and find jobs that best suit their talents and equally importantly, interests and passions. This isn't particularly related but I view natural intelligence as an un-polished diamond, it has the potential to shine brighter than others, but needs to be polished first.
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kiltmaker2 wrote:

Having a high IQ does not mean that you have wisdom or common sense


That's true. You can know a lot but it is possible that you do not understand what you know and you might not know how to use your knowledge.

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I personally believe a "refined genius" wins. We live in a society that rewards hard work, all the way from school through university to your job. As a university student, I can pretty confidently say no matter how naturally smart you are, you will need to work very hard to do well in your degree. Thats just how the system is set up... anyone who thinks otherwise have simply just never seen the geniuses at work
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