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These are some really tame posts you're reporting, kefka. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. Anyway, just curious, but is there a point to this thread? I don't think the mods will let it stay if it's just here for nothing but collecting links.
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Posted 9/21/17 , edited 9/23/17

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In a national study, 40% of transgender adults reported having made a suicide attempt. 92% of these individuals reported having attempted suicide before the age of 25.

How to get help: http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/conditions/finding-help-when-get-it-and-where-go


Suicide is a social construct, get with the times


Oh god. Now in 3 months there will be articles about how suicide is really just a social construct.
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These are some really tame posts you're reporting, kefka. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. Anyway, just curious, but is there a point to this thread? I don't think the mods will let it stay if it's just here for nothing but collecting links.


Please don't make assumptions about who's doing the reporting. It's not Kefka.

Since the links being provided as a resource may also serve as points of discussion, the thread is okay. And actually, if people were also just chiming in with other useful resource links, that would be okay too.

What is not okay is so many people just showing up to express disapproval of Kefka or the existence of this thread.
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Posted 9/21/17 , edited 9/23/17

lorreen wrote:


foraslan wrote:

These are some really tame posts you're reporting, kefka. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. Anyway, just curious, but is there a point to this thread? I don't think the mods will let it stay if it's just here for nothing but collecting links.


Please don't make assumptions about who's doing the reporting. It's not Kefka.

Since the links being provided as a resource may also serve as points of discussion, the thread is okay. And actually, if people were also just chiming in with other useful resource links, that would be okay too.

What is not okay is so many people just showing up to express disapproval of Kefka or the existence of this thread.


What I found particularly disappointing was the user who posted an instruction to read a link that tried to tell Transpersons that they don't exist.


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Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17

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lorreen wrote:


foraslan wrote:

These are some really tame posts you're reporting, kefka. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. Anyway, just curious, but is there a point to this thread? I don't think the mods will let it stay if it's just here for nothing but collecting links.


Please don't make assumptions about who's doing the reporting. It's not Kefka.

Since the links being provided as a resource may also serve as points of discussion, the thread is okay. And actually, if people were also just chiming in with other useful resource links, that would be okay too.

What is not okay is so many people just showing up to express disapproval of Kefka or the existence of this thread.


What I found particularly disappointing was the user who posted an instruction to read a link that tried to tell Transpersons that they don't exist.




That's your bias showing and it doesn't reflect well on your "open mindedness". All they did was the same the OP did with their opening post. Dropped a link and said read.

Now if each individuals link is associated with different ways of viewing the issue that is transgenderism then each should have the right to post without others from opposing sides being "offended" because its an opposing point of view.

If we are going to combat ignorance it needs to come from both sides of the negotiating table.

If you want to claim that his point of view is wrong(or the point of view his link provides) then you best be willing to back up your statement.

Just claiming " that is disappointing" because they have opposing views is nothing but the same type of ignorance that other people come to the table with when they say "that is wrong" towards us being transgendered.
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Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17

lorreen wrote:


foraslan wrote:

These are some really tame posts you're reporting, kefka. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. Anyway, just curious, but is there a point to this thread? I don't think the mods will let it stay if it's just here for nothing but collecting links.


Please don't make assumptions about who's doing the reporting. It's not Kefka.

Since the links being provided as a resource may also serve as points of discussion, the thread is okay. And actually, if people were also just chiming in with other useful resource links, that would be okay too.

What is not okay is so many people just showing up to express disapproval of Kefka or the existence of this thread.


Oh, so it WASN'T just her strategic Rainbow-Mafia silencing of anyone and everyone who even dared to be mean to a TG person, so that Happiness And Tolerance Would Prevail, then.
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Quoted from this article


The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”
“And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs,” said Dr. McHugh.



I believe there is merit to the fact that studies have shown that transgender feelings go away even without sexual reassignment surgery. (I have not participated in this type of surgery but have considered it many times.)

I also believe there is merit to the fact that many individuals who do go ahead with sexual reassignment surgery do not fair any better in adjusting psychologically and socially in society after the surgery. This is one of the reasons I am going to college for psychology, as I want to gain a better understanding of what's going on inside my head and what can be done to combat gender dysphoria .

If the only "option" people feel they have to combat the dysphoria is sexual reassignment surgery and it doesn't always produce the wanted results then there is definitely merit into research in alternative means . Even if that means accepting a whole other world view of why we are how we are.

I am not attached to any specific world view as help for my condition can come from the most unlikely of places. All I'm interested in is finding a solution that brings consistent results for people like me and that resolves the issues we face.

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Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17

Ejanss wrote:


lorreen wrote:


foraslan wrote:

These are some really tame posts you're reporting, kefka. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. Anyway, just curious, but is there a point to this thread? I don't think the mods will let it stay if it's just here for nothing but collecting links.


Please don't make assumptions about who's doing the reporting. It's not Kefka.

Since the links being provided as a resource may also serve as points of discussion, the thread is okay. And actually, if people were also just chiming in with other useful resource links, that would be okay too.

What is not okay is so many people just showing up to express disapproval of Kefka or the existence of this thread.


Oh, so it WASN'T just her strategic Rainbow-Mafia silencing of anyone and everyone who even dared to be mean to a TG person, so that Happiness And Tolerance Would Prevail, then.


Relax nobody has a reporting mafia on crunchyroll.

I am trans and I was the one who reported Kefka on her unnecessary aggressive and hostile behavior. There is no room for disussion in environments like that no matter who is saying it.

Unless you want to consider me part of the anti rainbow rainbow mafia then go ahead.
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Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17

Thug_Apple wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


lorreen wrote:


foraslan wrote:

These are some really tame posts you're reporting, kefka. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. Anyway, just curious, but is there a point to this thread? I don't think the mods will let it stay if it's just here for nothing but collecting links.


Please don't make assumptions about who's doing the reporting. It's not Kefka.

Since the links being provided as a resource may also serve as points of discussion, the thread is okay. And actually, if people were also just chiming in with other useful resource links, that would be okay too.

What is not okay is so many people just showing up to express disapproval of Kefka or the existence of this thread.


What I found particularly disappointing was the user who posted an instruction to read a link that tried to tell Transpersons that they don't exist.




That's your bias showing and it doesn't reflect well on your "open mindedness". All they did was the same the OP did with their opening post. Dropped a link and said read.

Now if each individuals link is associated with different ways of viewing the issue that is transgenderism then each should have the right to post without others from opposing sides being "offended" because its an opposing point of view.

If we are going to combat ignorance it needs to come from both sides of the negotiating table.

If you want to claim that his point of view is wrong(or the point of view his link provides) then you best be willing to back up your statement.

Just claiming " that is disappointing" because they have opposing views is nothing but the same type of ignorance that other people come to the table with when they say "that is wrong" towards us being transgendered.


If you say so, I just get tired of people saying I don't exist.
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Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17

Hobomilk wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

In a national study, 40% of transgender adults reported having made a suicide attempt. 92% of these individuals reported having attempted suicide before the age of 25.

How to get help: http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/conditions/finding-help-when-get-it-and-where-go


Suicide is a social construct, get with the times


as the person your quoting was giving advice/link for how to get help in regards to suicide prevention... how is getting with the times relevant? Are we no longer trying to stop suicides? Posting a stat so your link doesn't get deleted for only being a link and to give context... I think it was tastefully done. The OPS intent was to provide links to help LGBTQ deal with life. if almost half of reported transgender are attempting suicide that's a pretty hard statistic to brush off as not with the times no?

Now more importantly a social construct is something that exists not in objective reality, but as a result of human interaction. It exists because humans agree that it exists. A countries borders are social constructs as they wouldn't exists if you could hypnotize everyone and tell them it wasn't there. Suicide however is not a social construct because the wounds as a part of objective reality actually occur and in the minority of attempts actual life is lost. I think you seem to misunderstand the concept, or perhaps its the new buzzword I cannot say for sure.
For reference http://www.dictionary.com/browse/social-construct
To be relevant to the topic an example would be to say a transgender boy is a boy. That would be a social construct as thats the current ideology we share. When on a genetic level(how someone would identify you 500yrs from now) the transgender boy is female. This would be identified by bone structure, internal organs, and chromosomal counts. Whereas to say they are a boy is an ideology society accepts as the norm.
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Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17

Rujikin wrote:


Hobomilk wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

In a national study, 40% of transgender adults reported having made a suicide attempt. 92% of these individuals reported having attempted suicide before the age of 25.

How to get help: http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/conditions/finding-help-when-get-it-and-where-go


Suicide is a social construct, get with the times


Oh god. Now in 3 months there will be articles about how suicide is really just a social construct.


i hope you guys are just being sarcastic.

It's hard to tell with people anymore...
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Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17

lorreen wrote:


foraslan wrote:

These are some really tame posts you're reporting, kefka. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though. Anyway, just curious, but is there a point to this thread? I don't think the mods will let it stay if it's just here for nothing but collecting links.


Please don't make assumptions about who's doing the reporting. It's not Kefka.

Since the links being provided as a resource may also serve as points of discussion, the thread is okay. And actually, if people were also just chiming in with other useful resource links, that would be okay too.

What is not okay is so many people just showing up to express disapproval of Kefka or the existence of this thread.


You're right, I suppose. I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions, or made a post that was just about Kefka. Frankly, though, I've had nothing but bad experiences with kefka. I'm just going to leave this thread alone so I don't make any more posts in poor taste.
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Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17
Here we go again.

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Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17

Ryulightorb wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


Hobomilk wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

In a national study, 40% of transgender adults reported having made a suicide attempt. 92% of these individuals reported having attempted suicide before the age of 25.

How to get help: http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/conditions/finding-help-when-get-it-and-where-go


Suicide is a social construct, get with the times


Oh god. Now in 3 months there will be articles about how suicide is really just a social construct.


i hope you guys are just being sarcastic.

It's hard to tell with people anymore...


looooool ofc im just being sarcastic
Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17

DevinKuska wrote:


Hobomilk wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

In a national study, 40% of transgender adults reported having made a suicide attempt. 92% of these individuals reported having attempted suicide before the age of 25.

How to get help: http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/conditions/finding-help-when-get-it-and-where-go


Suicide is a social construct, get with the times


as the person your quoting was giving advice/link for how to get help in regards to suicide prevention... how is getting with the times relevant? Are we no longer trying to stop suicides? Posting a stat so your link doesn't get deleted for only being a link and to give context... I think it was tastefully done. The OPS intent was to provide links to help LGBTQ deal with life. if almost half of reported transgender are attempting suicide that's a pretty hard statistic to brush off as not with the times no?

Now more importantly a social construct is something that exists not in objective reality, but as a result of human interaction. It exists because humans agree that it exists. A countries borders are social constructs as they wouldn't exists if you could hypnotize everyone and tell them it wasn't there. Suicide however is not a social construct because the wounds as a part of objective reality actually occur and in the minority of attempts actual life is lost. I think you seem to misunderstand the concept, or perhaps its the new buzzword I cannot say for sure.
For reference http://www.dictionary.com/browse/social-construct
To be relevant to the topic an example would be to say a transgender boy is a boy. That would be a social construct as thats the current ideology we share. When on a genetic level(how someone would identify you 500yrs from now) the transgender boy is female. This would be identified by bone structure, internal organs, and chromosomal counts. Whereas to say they are a boy is an ideology society accepts as the norm.


i was just kidding
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Posted 9/22/17 , edited 9/23/17

papagolfwhiskey wrote:
If you say so, I just get tired of people saying I don't exist.


Well, y'see, that's really YOUR misinterpretation--
We're saying you do exist, just that we disagree you might not actually be a happy pink bunny just because you sewed up your old pajamas to dress up like one in public.

(To wit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxYtSOv_In4 )
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