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Posted 9/29/17 , edited 9/30/17
Ask a polygamist. Only then you will know what really goes on in their minds.

If you are a man/woman, do you really want multiple women/men asking something from you everyday/week/month?

Isn't it tiring?
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While I can't really recommend the anime Everyday Life with Monster Girls it has two things going for it. The protagonist is constantly in physical danger because these monster girls are all up on his jock. Which is pretty cool because it highlights one of the concern with the idea of an actual harem. The fact that the girls swarming this dude are dangerous to him highlights how he is overwhelmed by their presence. Maybe it's a stretch but when I think of having 5 girlfriends I'm like "Ugh, I've had days in relationships where one girlfriend was too much to want to deal with." So when the scenario is a bunch of girls swarming you for love and attention, but their affection is actually dangerous for you, it becomes hilarious. Like this --->Question "What would happen if I had 5 or 6 girlfriends who are all only with me?" Answer "Well I'd probably die and not of happiness."

BestGuyEver on youtube pointed out that he enjoys how the series navigates and explores having a world in which this scenario exists. How monsters integrate into human society isn't simply taken for granted even though I would never call Monster Musume even a half serious story.

While I like that I just like how the story has some new wacky incarnation of a monster girls joining the plot every so often. Makes it like harem pokemon.

Harem shows are wish fullfilment stories with a dose of quirkiness here and there, and I get why wish fulfillment narrative doesn't strike many people as profound, and if it is just wish fulfillment, scenario porn, then it really isn't. I think the important thing is that a narrative do something to ask interesting questions about those fantasies. A wish fulfillment story that just gives you a fix of escapism and leaves you in the same irrational state of desiring something unrealistic does nothing. It's just a kind of porn. A story that challenges you to evaluate those desires and fantasies and leaves you with something more to consider in their wake is what is wanted.

Assuming harem fantasies are petty and immature, what you'd want to see is a believable harem story that actually shows a character mature and move past the whole harem thing.

Just a for instance, dude begins attracting girls, realizes he associates with a group of girls that all have some level of romantic interest in him. Guy likes all these girls but doesn't understand his feelings well enough to pick and nor does he want to because he one some level would want them all and doesn't want to hurt anybody. So typically what will happen is one by one girls in the group confess, he turns them down, and eventually picks his best girl or whatever and they all end up friends anyway. Often the side girls vow not to give up so we assume that the same tension will continue.

There a lot that is wrong with that. People move on and find some else if you turn them down. Sometimes, but certainly not always do people kind of just hang around anyway after being rejected, or at least the friendship changes. Probably the coolest thing about Clannad is how season two takes the step of going beyond the "He picked that girl, story over" arc. Harem girls too often don't have characters outside of lusting after protagonist guy. They aren't really treated as real people so much as options in a VN flowchart.

What I'd love to see would be a harem where the attraction of the characters is believable. Like protagonist guy needs to be so cool that he makes me question my sexuality. But what I want is to see the writer then try to deal reasonably with this unreasonable situation. Love Triangles are very real and potentially dramatic social circumstances. So just that with the complication of additional people.

Polyamorous relationships are out there. So in the same way we can write a mature love story or just a mature story that focuses on a relationship or relationships, a story could easily explore the complications and intimacies of a relationship dynamic other than one on one. How do they deal with the fact that they all have one boyfriend while their boyfriend gets to have however many girlfriends? Are all the girls with the guy or are some of them with each other as well? There are plenty of interesting questions to ask with this existing genre, but so much of the meta is just the wish fulfillment archetype and those few shows attempting to deconstruct that archetype. So you have harem classic, harem deconstruction and then you have that harem story that doesn't really have much to do with the harem fantasy and attempt to deal with the reality of a relationship that includes more than two people.
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Posted 9/30/17 , edited 9/30/17
harem may look good to some folks on the screen/book, but when it comes to real life it's a total mess. I have yet to meet a man who can physically handle more than one female at the same time. thus, someone isn't going to be happy. this isn't going on the idea of the use of a pill, I mean normal situations. they might think they can, but they are probably living in some fantasy world. same with females. granted there are probably a short few, but over all... not to mention look at all the complications and prices. best to keep some things simple in my opinion.
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Posted 10/14/17 , edited 10/14/17
Sure Sure Harems... i love them alot lol okay seriously i love them
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Harems are popular shows, but do people actually even like harems?

I mean, with every show in this format that comes out, an inevitable waifu war ensues.
People pick out the one girl they like the most, then duke it out with fans over why she's BEST GIRL.

How many people have you met that actually want both Rem and Emilia? How many people want Chitoge, Onodera, and Marika, and not just one of them?

By nature, I don't think people actually want harems.
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Go back in time, and become a Sultan of the Ottoman Empire.
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DrunkKanti wrote:

Harem anime is the lowest form of anime.
Whenever I even feel an anime start leaning towards the harem trope I drop it immediately. It's been done too many times before and they're pretty much all the same. So why waste my time with them?


Ecchi anime is the lowest form of anime imo. They tend to list ecchi under harem or add harem to series that have nothing to do with ecchi.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/genre/35/Harem



https://myanimelist.net/anime/2167/Clannad/
https://myanimelist.net/anime/101/Air
https://myanimelist.net/anime/1530/Kanon_2006
https://myanimelist.net/anime/2476/School_Days
https://myanimelist.net/anime/934/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni
https://myanimelist.net/anime/18897/Nisekoi
https://myanimelist.net/anime/15583/Date_A_Live
https://myanimelist.net/anime/8525/Kami_nomi_zo_Shiru_Sekai
https://myanimelist.net/anime/19369/Outbreak_Company
https://myanimelist.net/anime/5909/Seitokai_no_Ichizon

etc..

School days and When they cry series should be harem series no ? maybe not when you have bad endings




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Posted 10/15/17 , edited 10/16/17

Potentsaliva wrote:

What do you think about harems...in real life(both types)? How does one go about acquiring a harem(both types)? How many people does it take for it to be considered a harem? Do you know anyone in history who had a harem(both types)? Harem always reminds me of Harlem Shake tbh...Do the Harem Shake!!!! What's the best harem anime? Do you think I have what it takes to be a harem protagonist?

Edit: By both types I mean the "regular" and "reverse" harem.


Myself, I couldn't picture wanting a real-life harem although I won't fault those who do. I'd say going by talk, 2 people make a couple, 3 make a menage which would mean 4 (1 male and 3 females or 1 female and 3 males) would make a harem. As for recent history, I'd say Hugh Hefner would be the most well-known harem guy this century. I think I'd have to classify Nagasare Airantou as my favorite harem anime though I'd say there are better quality-wise but as far as laughs are concerned it's solid gold. A shipwrecked teen guy lands on an island of young women all out to win a husband whether he wants to marry one or not. It's the realistic horror of a real-life harem . As for if you have what it takes, I'll leave that up to you, I don't judge others capability or incapability to accomplish their dreams .
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The only good harems are those make believe ones that take out all the crappy stuff that comes with harems
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You mean like Hugh Hefner? RIP
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To each their own. Some people its all they ever think about.
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Crappy stuff that comes with harems... Hmm...
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Posted 10/15/17 , edited 10/16/17
Imma quote my friend from a few years ago

"Dude harem anime are my favorite, but dealing with 4 girls all at once irl is the worst thing i've ever experienced. I enjoy watching it, but being a part of it is a big rip."
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Posted 10/25/17 , edited 10/25/17
Be British, go to high school in Canada
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Posted 10/25/17 , edited 10/25/17

Hakuotter wrote:

Harems are popular shows, but do people actually even like harems?

I mean, with every show in this format that comes out, an inevitable waifu war ensues.
People pick out the one girl they like the most, then duke it out with fans over why she's BEST GIRL.

How many people have you met that actually want both Rem and Emilia? How many people want Chitoge, Onodera, and Marika, and not just one of them?

By nature, I don't think people actually want harems.


No, most people don't like them. They are made because

1) it's a good way to get a lot of viewers, they just throw a bunch of waifus or husbandos at the viewer, and they are likely to like at least one of them.

2) love triangles (or in most case more complicated webs...) is one of the easiest sources of drama.

I could argue that harem is the most economically driven (that's money-grabbing said nicely) genre of entertainment there is. I have watched a large amount of harem-stuff, but out of them I only really like Oregairu (I actually kind of want it to end in a harem...), Monogatari (which is an anti-harem), and Saekano (which is also a deconstruction of the genre, at least most of the time).
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