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Posted 10/1/17 , edited 10/1/17

Chiropteran296 wrote:

"sadly allowed by police" no it is not sad it is fair even if distasteful. While not exactly in the realm of physics when it comes to politics a similar rule applies, for every action there will be equal and opposite reaction. If the Political left in the west and certainly in Europe [in this case Sweden] hadn't gone off the deep end then you wouldn't have large scale demonstrations by the other set of nutcases. Indeed the extreme political left is pushing people to the extreme political right.

On a side note it would be more accurate to label them fascists rather than Nazi's. While the German National Socialist Party was indeed Fascist in their political ideology the atrocities they committed were unique among records of any fascist state, they aimed for thought control and absolute obedience. To label someone or even a group as Nazi, is more damning than you probably realise.


NRM has been around since the end of WWII tho and was founded by high ranking nazis who escaped germany and got to sweden. So I'm not falsely labeling them, that's just history. People usually call Sweden's political party SD nazi and that is false labeling.

And the NRM logo of a arrow up is taken from the few nazi generals who were allowed to commit the jewish genocide
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Not surprised. When you let foreign invaders destroy your country, culture, and are above yours laws your going to have backlash. The NAZI are doing their traditional tactics that got them into power in Germany to try and pick up on sentiment that the country has abandoned them. Right now Sweden reminds me so much of Germany pre WW2.... I know were going to have to go back to fucking Europe within the century because of fucking Merkel.

I think I know exactly who is committing the stoning.


Last time i checked no country has invaded sweden nor has it had any invaders.....it has had people migrating there legally but that's not invasion.

Also Sweden is nothing like Germany Pre WW2....so yeah.
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There's a difference between 'Free Speech' & 'Hate Speech'. Their ideology crosses the line into 'Hate Speech', which should NOT be allowed.... unless we want to see an uprising of the Fourth Reich, or parties with the same ideology that caused WW2 in the first place. If you let 'Hate Speech' have a voice, history has shown it sadly raises their numbers. Humanity stood up against this brutal ideology before at a great sacrifice. People saying today that this kind of ideology should have a voice obviously haven't thought about the long term ramifications. Nor do they respect what many of their family fought for. SMH
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TheOmegaForce- Thank you for the update.
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The problem tho is how to you take the "hate speech" out of free speech with out someone abusing it, I feel that this is the main reason people would rather deal with "hate speech" with "free speech" then have some as*hole use the ban on "hate speech" to push their own agenda and stop people from talking and/or making them out to be this "evil" person.


We already see news groups faking what people say by cutting up videos, its not hard to make a lie about seem real nowadays sadly.

The sad truth of it is that we can't trust the leaders of people open-handed like without looking at them very hard but some people just take whats on the surface to be the 100% truth of the matter.

Only saw this in passing so I am not really going to reply or anything just want to throw my thoughts out there.
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The problem tho is how to you take the "hate speech" out of free speech with out someone abusing it, I feel that this is the main reason people would rather deal with "hate speech" with "free speech" then have some as*hole use the ban on "hate speech" to push their own agenda and stop people from talking and/or making them out to be this "evil" person.


We already see news groups faking what people say by cutting up videos, its not hard to make a lie about seem real nowadays sadly.

The sad truth of it is that we can't trust the leaders of people open-handed like without looking at them very hard but some people just take whats on the surface to be the 100% truth of the matter.

Only saw this in passing so I am not really going to reply or anything just want to throw my thoughts out there.


In my country from what I can understand if hate speech is

a.) Already breaking another law, but motivated by prejudice

or

b.) Pushing for genocide.

Considering the history of nazism usually has them has them falling pretty deep into category B I really don't see a problem with condemning them for hate speech, though I suppose it would be more dependent on what they actually said.
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Rujikin wrote:

Not surprised. When you let foreign invaders destroy your country, culture, and are above yours laws your going to have backlash. The NAZI are doing their traditional tactics that got them into power in Germany to try and pick up on sentiment that the country has abandoned them. Right now Sweden reminds me so much of Germany pre WW2.... I know were going to have to go back to fucking Europe within the century because of fucking Merkel.

I think I know exactly who is committing the stoning.


Have you ever been to Sweden? You sure sound like an expert on the topic.

Don't just blindly listen to what the news tell you, or wherever you get your information from.
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Chiropteran296 wrote:

"sadly allowed by police" no it is not sad it is fair even if distasteful. While not exactly in the realm of physics when it comes to politics a similar rule applies, for every action there will be equal and opposite reaction. If the Political left in the west and certainly in Europe [in this case Sweden] hadn't gone off the deep end then you wouldn't have large scale demonstrations by the other set of nutcases. Indeed the extreme political left is pushing people to the extreme political right.

On a side note it would be more accurate to label them fascists rather than Nazi's. While the German National Socialist Party was indeed Fascist in their political ideology the atrocities they committed were unique among records of any fascist state, they aimed for thought control and absolute obedience. To label someone or even a group as Nazi, is more damning than you probably realise.


NRM has been around since the end of WWII tho and was founded by high ranking nazis who escaped germany and got to sweden. So I'm not falsely labeling them, that's just history. People usually call Sweden's political party SD nazi and that is false labeling.

And the NRM logo of a arrow up is taken from the few nazi generals who were allowed to commit the jewish genocide



My presumption was that you used the term Nazi colloquially to serve as a rhetorical tool, I am not familiar with the ins and outs of Sweden's differing political parties, forgive me. The trend of calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi has become worryingly popular in both the US and Europe [particularly Germany] this last couple of years and has only been perpetuated by the mainstream media as I'm sure you've noticed.

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Those sort of groups are on the rise makes sense since other groups are on the rise. I don't see any harm in letting them speak and have demonstrations not because I support them but because I think that by silencing them you make them more dangerous and the message that they are being persecuted hold more water it will also show who the sympathisers are for both sides. Making them shut up will only make their message make more sense and travel further and talking about them will only help them achieve their goal of being heard by as large an audience as possible.
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When Democracy angers the populace, like Sweden and there recent foreign and social policies have, Nationalists come out to speak out against it, and they take off their sheep costumes.

What happened when Germany was humiliated after WW1? People were angered and sought to see Germany back to its former glory and rallied behind the National Socialist German Worker's Party (Nazi Party), to get rid of the Liberal government Germany had after WW1. Unfortunately in Sweden, radical wannabe Nazis came out because of the governmental choices.

Karl Marx was right about one thing though: Capitalism needed time to ripen before people see its flaws.

In my honest opinion, radical movements like Antifa, KKK, Nazis, they wouldn't come out if the governments that they are protesting were more Centrist. France under Macron is a good example of this, and so is modern day Communist China.
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Cost of living in a country with free speech. Even evil people get to have their voices heard.
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When Democracy angers the populace, like Sweden and there recent foreign and social policies have, Nationalists come out to speak out against it, and they take off their sheep costumes.

What happened when Germany was humiliated after WW1? People were angered and sought to see Germany back to its former glory and rallied behind the National Socialist German Worker's Party (Nazi Party), to get rid of the Liberal government Germany had after WW1. Unfortunately in Sweden, radical wannabe Nazis came out because of the governmental choices.

Karl Marx was right about one thing though: Capitalism needed time to ripen before people see its flaws.

In my honest opinion, radical movements like Antifa, KKK, Nazis, they wouldn't come out if the governments that they are protesting were more Centrist. France under Macron is a good example of this, and so is modern day Communist China.


Okay, I can't agree with everything you've said, but, seriously, China?!? Go demonstrate in Tiananmen Square for democracy and see what happens. Or you can check back at what happened in 1989. Or go over there to protest for a free Tibet. Not as bad does not mean "free" or centrist. Or go over there as a Catholic priest who acknowledges the pope first, not the Chinese government. Communist China remains an repressive regime that regularly violates human rights.

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There's a difference between 'Free Speech' & 'Hate Speech'. Their ideology crosses the line into 'Hate Speech', which should NOT be allowed.... unless we want to see an uprising of the Fourth Reich, or parties with the same ideology that caused WW2 in the first place. If you let 'Hate Speech' have a voice, history has shown it sadly raises their numbers. Humanity stood up against this brutal ideology before at a great sacrifice. People saying today that this kind of ideology should have a voice obviously haven't thought about the long term ramifications. Nor do they respect what many of their family fought for. SMH


No, and thank God for the First Amendment!!!

Okay, start with the Nazis, the KKK, the white supremacists. But then you label someone who's opposed to Affirmative Action as racist. Charlton Heston marched with Martin Luther King, but in his later years snarky young leftists labeled him a racist for his stance on Affirmative Action.

The Southern Poverty Law Center started out fighting against the KKK. Now it labels groups that support the traditional view of marriage as hate groups.

There are videos making the rounds right now of an extraordinary example of where this can lead. At University of California Riverside, a female student stole the Make America Great Again hat of a college Republican, with the matter going before the University. where the woman, again, snatched the hat off of the conservative student, claiming that he was promoting genocide with his hat! Further, the woman posted her own diatribe video which has an utter unawareness of having done anything wrong.

This woman committed either a misdemeanor or a felony, and she attempted to suppress freedom of speech, all because she dislikes President Trump, the constitutionally elected president.

If you want to restrict hate speech, it will never stop. In my mind, the most hateful speech is not one particular ideology: It is any speech that wants to take away the right of free speech from anyone else.

Freedom of speech does not mean, however, freedom from consequences. Thus, if the Nazis or KKK march, counter protesters are welcome, and are allowed. Violence, by any side, however, IS NOT FREEDOM OF SPEECH OR EXPRESSION!!

We are, of course, talking about public spaces. There are moderators on this privately owned forum. You can't protest inside your place of business, unless your employer allows it.

I truly wish that George Orwell was alive today, to see how prophetic he turned out to be.
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All these nazi protesters weren't even alive in a nazi state and have no idea what it's really like. The irony is that they are protesting under their right to do so and advocating for a political system that would execute them for doing what they are doing now.

Mind blowing stupidity.
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