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When its come to sci-fi everything is based on logic and theory. But what about fantasy? How can we use logic to explain magic? or dragons? or elves?

I started thinking about this when I was watching a shounen anime wondering if that shounen world was real would the things that exist and happen in it be explained with science and does it make sense?
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Elves' long lifespan could be explained scientifically.
I have read hypothesis how dragon could breath fire.
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For each universe, there is their own set of science behind what happens.

Is it the same as our universe? Maybe, maybe not! That is the entire purpose of parallel universes. The possibilities are endless! One world, gravity is 1/5 that of ours. One universe, the main energy source comes from the spirits of ol'. Science can change, it is ever evolving!
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oneouts123 wrote:

When its come to sci-fi everything is based on logic and theory. But what about fantasy? How can we use logic to explain magic? or dragons? or elves?

I started thinking about this when I was watching a shounen anime wondering if that shounen world was real would the things that exist and happen in it be explained with science and does it make sense?


I think it is possible. Irregular at magic high is based on that very principle of magic being discovered/systematized through science. Which things like PK(psychokineses) ESP ect cant be proven or disproven at this point so their is always a chance. Out of all of them I would say Dragons would be easiest as I should think with time and a bit of genetic engineering breeding a large lizard is not impossible. Fire breathing could be done through genetic manipulation to give the lizard two glands that produce different substances that when mixed could become pyrophoric.
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Science is about a process of studying the world around us in a way that produces consistent results (aka the Scientific Method). The ultimate results are determined by the universe being studied (within the limits of the scientists' knowledge and abilities at the time). If the magic, psychic power, non-human race, etc is real in that world, can be studied, and produces consistent results, then yes, it/they could be completely scientific.

Logic (including math) is a mental framework for thinking about stuff, and any specific logic isn't necessarily based on much, if any, reality to begin with. 2+2=4 is tied to the physical world (assuming you define everything correctly), but try finding me a physical example of i (the square root of -1 ), for example.
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yeah it is possible, but you as a writer have to put enough details into the world build and be consistent in the results of actions.
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oneouts123 wrote:

When its come to sci-fi everything is based on logic and theory. But what about fantasy? How can we use logic to explain magic? or dragons? or elves?

I started thinking about this when I was watching a shounen anime wondering if that shounen world was real would the things that exist and happen in it be explained with science and does it make sense?


I've read some cross genre books that had genetically engineered dragons. Some do have both science and magic side by side. There's even the odd person who has slightly pointed ears naturally that falls within the usual natural mutations with each generation explanation. That fits with LOTR types. Other stories have elves with the same life span as humans.
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I think one of the big things I like about Game of Thrones is the fact that there was logic to it. The 7th season fell off a little bit, but the rest of the seasons had logic to it.
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Ultimately, it's up to the writer, and how logical/consistent the supernatural elements are. If they are fairly logical/consistent, there's no reason why the scientific method wouldn't apply to them. More often then not, magic is usually depicted as another way of manipulating and utilizing energy anyways.
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lol.

There is only logic that you wish to be logic in fantasy.

If others don't accept it, then they don't have to. It's fantasy, we make our own logic, but sometimes its better to have some sort of reality in your reasoning. Which is why a lot of fantasy will have some real world outlook in combination with out of this world existence.

Best of both worlds is the perfect combination, since we don't have to go too far into detail about something completely made up.
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Wizards wind up being the default equivalent of scientists in most fantasy settings.
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Logic and Science are methods, not laws. They can and do both exist in Fantasy stories.

However if you want magic in the "real world" then it needs to be tied into the rest of the laws of physics that make up our universe (multiverse?). Any universe with "magic" as we understand it, would be very different from ours, possibly lethally so.

Oddly, we will get "magic", in a sense, in the future. Quantum computing is just the start of applying the laws of quantum physics over the laws of Newtonian physics, but it will all be consistently logically and scientifically created instead of willpower and hand-waving like magic is usually.
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Yes, in a way. In order for spells to work, there has to be some kind of universal, formulaic way to manipulate magic to perform specific effects, otherwise there would be no handed-down teaching of magic. Everyone would have to figure it out on the fly each time, if magic were purely random. Given the existence of spells that can be learned, then magic has to operate according to some form of laws, like physics or chemistry.
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keiichimorisato988 wrote:

yeah it is possible, but you as a writer have to put enough details into the world build and be consistent in the results of actions.


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