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Post Reply Should "white" really be counted as a "race"?
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Posted 10/4/17 , edited 10/4/17

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Should "white" really be counted as a "race"?
It seems strange how easily people forget that irish, Celtic, French, Swedish, italian , and Spanish are different heritages.


There was a time that 'race' was applied to nationalities and ethnic groups. Literature from a century ago and earlier would speak quite casually of the 'French Race' or the 'German Race' for example. And even assign what considered genetic traits to them. The French considered racially Libertine but passionate. The Germans Disciplined but Rigid. Note these were not assumed to be cultural traits but racial.

I think even today 'race' is largerly an artificial construct. There is more difference between the outliers of a given 'race' than there is between the medians of different 'races'

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That said. As long as we are tied to the concept of Race, the idea of a white race is inevitable. The european nations' 'races' were all considered naturally superior to those that natively inhabited other continents. the Concept of 'White Man's Burden' a duty to bring 'civilization' to other races was a common thought and still sees itself as an undercurrent among white supremacists (who believe in a white race) and Western Partisans.



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Posted 10/4/17 , edited 10/4/17

Ejanss wrote:


jtjumper wrote:
It's kind of depressing to realize that so little effort went this question and yet it's so popular.


Darn if that doesn't sound like a signed CONFESSION...


Yes, I was the one who made this post so low effort.
Sincerely,
Eljanss Esq.

How's that for a signed confession?
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This is an old document -- see the description for WHITE ?? I'm pretty sure most people think WHITE means people with white skin

https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf

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dulun18 wrote:

This is an old document -- see the description for WHITE ?? I'm pretty sure most people think WHITE means people with white skin

https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf181.pdf


I think you may very well be correct.


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Personally, I think that people should be proud of who they are (I'm proud to be Irish-American), but they shouldn't make their race the main facet of their lives.

I don't think race is a construct: races/ethnicity are the physical differences that show how different people evolved to adapt to their surroundings, in the same way animals evolved. For instance, people who live near the tropics and in areas with increased amounts of warmth and sunlight have darker skin because their ancestors evolved to produce more melanin so as to avoid harmful skin diseases caused by UV rays. I

don't think that we should separate each other by race or anything else because race is something we can't change. We're born a certain way, and that's that. We should just be proud to be who we are as individuals.
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It's actually Caucasian, which kinda annoys me when people use the word "white".
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Posted 10/10/17 , edited 10/11/17
White people are not a race. The race they belong to is human. Being white is more accurately described as an ethnicity or a cline.
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Posted 10/10/17 , edited 10/11/17
As every smart person above has pointed out... "race" is a stupid term that need to go away when talking about humans.

Ethnicity. Cultural background. Nationality.
It's so much more nuanced than "race" or just the color of our skin....

Sad how humanity is still bogged down with such foolishness.
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as a race Nascar works for me atm....
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Personally, I think people should stop caring about race all together. All it is is just how much or little melanin you get from your mom and dad, and some other minor features, like eye and nose shape and general size.

Note, that does not mean people should stop caring about culture. Some cultures are great, and others have no place in a modern era. (cough, third world Muslims.) Though I would be amused by some breaking of stereotypes. (Asians speaking in British accent Chinese, apparently that is a thing, according to a former US Deputy Marshall.) at the end of the day, if your culture is violent, hateful, and primitive, I won't like you.
Posted 10/11/17 , edited 10/11/17
who cares tbh.
white is a color just like black.
Black is a race so why can't white be?
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Posted 10/11/17 , edited 10/12/17

jtjumper wrote:

Should "white" really be counted as a "race"?
It seems strange how easily people forget that irish, Celtic, French, Swedish, italian , and Spanish are different heritages.


Its not a race just like "black" isn't a race. Its a social construct to label people as their skin color in order to oppress those different. And yes, it is instituted by white people. The term negro was used by the Spanish to lablel a certain groups of african/native americans which turned into Negro which turned into black (negro is Spanish for the word "black").

Yet not all black people are the same here in America but are labeled the same through the white supremacist construct which is a European invention used to divide and conquer. Nationalized Supremacy based on skin color is not only 'racist', it is evil, and white people have been using it in this country to assert their unlawful authority. Eventually, the white supremacists will destroy itself just as you saw Hitler do in Europe. If Hitler had simply conquered Europe he would've probably won. When he brought white supremacy into the equation, he simply doomed himself.

Many people don't see it that way but there are spiritutal laws that aren't able to be seen by those who are spiritually blind.
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Posted 10/11/17 , edited 10/12/17

octorockandroll wrote:

White people are not a race. The race they belong to is human. Being white is more accurately described as an ethnicity or a cline.


I believe it's more broadly accepted to refer to humans as a species, white/asian/etc. as races, and Irish/Korean/etc. as ethnic groups.
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What boggles my mind is that on many official U.S. forms it will have a "race" followed by "American" afterwards... the exception is for Caucasian or White. I cannot recall a form that had Caucasian American or White American...

All that said labels have uses, but much like everything else it comes with a double edge. Useful for medical treatment and legit statistics, but also negative when used for profiling and other unfair circumstances.
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Posted 10/11/17 , edited 10/12/17
This question is unanswerable. What is a race is determined by what society decides is a race. There is no biological basis for race and so it cannot be quantified in any consistent manner. To clarify this point, if I decided to divide the world by hair colour as the dividing line of humanity you would be able to argue "This division is legitimate because statistically Gingers are shorter than Blondes." which means if you arbitrarily group people together you can then find differences between the groups and argue the differences are evidence of legitimacy.

If the question is, should 'white' be considered an ethnicity. I'd have to say yes. Problem is when you get right down to it you'll never stop listing your ethnicities. It's a very broad term. If we use the following definition "An ethnic group, or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, society, culture or nation." Then we all belong to dozens of ethnicities. I'm White, European, British, Irish, Northern Irish, South Belfast, English-speaking, Western, every nationality you can find through my family ancestry (Scottish, Welsh, English, Scandinavian, Germanic) and more since this definition is open-ended. In fact, if you get 2 people to identify with the very first humans (shared ancestry) then we'd have caveman as a legitimate ethnicity.

Point is, these terms are arbitrary and people should be actively encouraged to stop giving them credibility.
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